stanherman

It's not that much better to hold out at Envoy in hopes of landing that parachute at AA. When I called out sick I could careless about the "attitude" schedulers gave me. Why? Because at the end of the day they have 0 effect on me if I'm unfit. At Eagle, I had the absolute BEST chief pilots in MIA so absolutely no complaints there. What Captain at Eagle/Envoy isn't bitter? The lifers? Or the ones who probably still preach "we should've voted yes"

So other than crew scheduling, chief pilots and training is it REALLY that much better or worth the wait? AA guys are just as bitter at AAG because of the tone upper management creates. Just look at the US Air guys.

I flew AA not too long ago, from the gate agent to the flight attendants I couldn't believe the garbage product that was delivered. Everyone's miserable.

Pcruz28

Just got a call from recruitment about my August 15th class and they offered me an extra 5k if I chose anything but DFW E175.

leica typ240

...I laugh when I read this kind of stuff or encounter people who are that unhappy, it only reminds me that I have no reason to complain and my life is not that bad!!!

disclaimer: not directed at you but a general statement/observation

Mistek89

New white shirts for new hires. What happened to the old blue ones that said envoy.

Skyvector

They switched to American Airlines white polos. It's part of AA's plan to highlight the fact we are part of them, and as an extension remind everyone about the flow.

Hence, our new uniform wings have the AA logo on them and don't say Envoy anywhere.

271c

They hand out both blue Envoy and white AA shirts in training. Someone in the class picks which to wear for the picture.

cr700

You are forgetting that we are on the same side. You are correct that I am not a recruiter but I do work closely with them. Recently at a job fair, I had a potential applicant ask me about how bad things really were at Envoy as that's all he sees on APC. It gets really old when these ax grinders that don't even work here have nothing better to do than bash Envoy on here. It took a bit but I was able to get the applicant to see the light and he is in an upcoming class. All regional's need as many applicants as they can get right now.

All Envoy types should be pulling together to help get the word out that it's really pretty good here.

cr700

This is exactly correct. AA wants to highlight this so that potential recruits understand that they WILL be going to AA. And in the meantime, they are as much a part of AA as a 25 year 777 captain.

LineUpAndPay

What's the earliest you can email swaps and drops to put in a drop request for next month? Can I do it now that the manual 48 hour window is open or do we have to wait for everything to finalize? I'm just trying to get my denied due to staffing response as soon as possible

Jersdawg

I must have missed the 16% 401k match and a zero on the end of my paycheck if I'm as much part of AA as that 777 guy. Also it was pretty weird, [convoluted jumpseat story pointing out the fact that we are not AA at all but Envoy redacted by me].

And things are not "all good" here. If you flew the line you would know that. They are 100% fixable, but right now our mgmt doesn't seem to want to make things better. If, among other things, the schedules were fixed, we were given s couple other crew bases, and mgmt stopped with the hostility towards pilots, we might have a better place to work. And those new hires reading APC would think more about coming here!

I know the company doesn't like the negative press on APC, and is it shooting myself in the foot to drive new hires away from here? Perhaps, but I also want to be realistic and post the most accurate picture of what ENY will be like to a new hire. Is it a terrible place to work? No. I've pointed that out in other posts. But it's certainly not great or even good right now.

I disagree with the axe grind types as much as you, but I also believe that it's just as dishonest to sell the other extreme, and that's exactly what you are doing.