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Old 07-26-2016, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by highflyer1980 View Post
There's something really, really wrong with the world when corporations don't value their employees and honor agreements bargained in good faith. I know I am probably just barking up a tree and not able to make a difference, but it really gets under my skin that we are expected to operate at such a high standard with integrity and clear conscience. To operate safely, and to remove ourselves from the equation when necessary. The double standard at this corporation is deafening and is full of hypocrisy. Safety number one.... (At their convenience)

Has anyone else asked why for the delay codes they don't have one for pilot preflight duties? We get called out on doing what we are supposed to do and then get psychologically manipulated into doing what we are not supposed to do. To cut corners, to get the flight out on-time.

Morale is low. Corporate morals are abusive in nature. It's been getting worse and nothing is being done. Not even our union will stand up to this.
Nothing will change with DUI Douggie at the helm. I feel bad for all my buddies still at Envoy who are waiting out in hopes of the flow.

Also want to add that I completely disagree with it being a night and day difference between AA and Envoy work environments. Every captain I knew who flowed said yes the training is better, less stressful but the AAG bs still runs rancid. Ain't much better over there.
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by citxls View Post
Nothing will change with DUI Douggie at the helm. I feel bad for all my buddies still at Envoy who are waiting out in hopes of the flow.

Also want to add that I completely disagree with it being a night and day difference between AA and Envoy work environments. Every captain I knew who flowed said yes the training is better, less stressful but the AAG bs still runs rancid. Ain't much better over there.
Every Captain you knew who flowed? You must've known quite a few really bitter captains, because nearly every pilot who's flowed over can tell you that the differnce between the two companies, in terms of how we are treated on a daily basis by Crew Scheduling, Crew Tracking, and the Chief Pilot's offices is night and day different than it was on the Eagle side. Conversations with Crew Scheduling are pleasant and not confrontational. If you call out fatigued or sick, you don't get any attitude over the phone, you simply get an "OK". When something is needed from the Chief pilot's office, the staff is pleasant, and the Chief's themselves are even more so. The comparisons can go on and on.

Yes, there have been a few guys that have come over and have carried their chip on their shoulder right into the AA cockpits, and the captains who have had the displeasure of being paired with them have told me it makes for a miserable trip. But those guys are the exception, not the rule.

It's MUCH better on the AA side.
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:22 AM
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Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.

Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.

Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.

As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.

Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
Still flowing 360 envoy pilots this year? We're hiring large numbers? Positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the US? Things are looking up at envoy? Looking at 175 options? A bright future and a lifestyle similar to AA? You're credibility stinks and you do more harm than good with your pie in the sky rose colored glasses look at our airline.
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Old 07-26-2016, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetunderwing View Post
On this forum if you choose the jet under wing time, the shiny new jet, or hope to come to Envoy for a flow your unintelligent. Most people on this forum want you to take the 145 or the crj and take reserve because thats what they had to endure. If they had to endure 12-15 months on reserve 3 plus years ago, you need at least 16 months reserve to make it fair to them. They dont want your QOL to be any better than theres ever was as thats not "fair".
I got hired into a new airplane, again could choose whatever I wanted and you will hear the anger on here as I and other new hires didnt choose the airplane with terrible QOL. On this forum you will see the flow is snake oil. Make your own decision about it. There is a flow, theres also zero pilots, there probably stands a reason AAG wants a flow for the future regardless what it is today or what it was for the Envoy pilots hired 3-7 years ago when there was an abundance of pilots.

Any new hire who hears the anger on here just remember they want you to have a harder, longer, tougher road than they had. The fact the regional industry is in the gutter and you can get whatever you want as a new regional pilot now infuriates them. Come to Envoy or go to another regional, and get the most you can out of it you can.
Keep patting yourself on the back and telling yourself what bullies those Eagle guys are. Although there are a few with that attitude, the majority of pilots here want a better QOL for everyone.

I live less than an hour from DFW but I have to commute to ORD rsv to go to work, as of now, my only way to get back to DFW is to upgrade. What's wrong with being pi$$ed off that a new guy gets to have a better QOL than I do right now? I'm not pi$$ed at the new hire, maybe a little jealous, I'm pi$$ed at the company.

Speaking for myself, it does pi$$ me off (and makes me laugh) when I hear about new hires walking out of class because they didn't get the 175. People don't get it, it's not the equipment, it's the seniority number that matters. Yes, you can be logging that precious "underwing jet time" (whatever the Hell that is lol), and then you can be displaced to another airplane or even another base. Ask me how I know.

As far as the "shiny jet" thing, I agree with you. We are pilots, what's wrong with wanting to fly a new plane. I want to fly as many planes as I can. Am I a lesser driver for wanting a new car? It's the new plane or I'm outta here that I don't get.
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Old 07-26-2016, 01:39 PM
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be ****ed off at ALPA Envoy MEC, this inability was a gift brought to you from tony and scum. Never was this the way until ALP gave it away, oh and got nothing inreturn.
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Old 07-26-2016, 04:02 PM
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Does anyone know the hour mins for upgrade? 1,000 hrs with the company or something along those lines? I searched through the contract and couldn't find anything. Thanks in advance.
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Old 07-26-2016, 04:07 PM
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Does anyone know the hour mins for upgrade? 1,000 hrs with the company or something along those lines? I searched through the contract and couldn't find anything. Thanks in advance.
3,000 hours total time (company rule) and 1,000 Part 121 SIC (FAA rule)
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Old 07-26-2016, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84 View Post
3,000 hours total time (company rule) and 1,000 Part 121 SIC (FAA rule)
Cool, thanks for the reply.
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Cool, thanks for the reply.
Also every hour with the company it counts for two.
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Old 07-26-2016, 04:52 PM
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Also every hour with the company it counts for two.
Great, thank you.
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