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Old 07-25-2016, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by thunder3915 View Post
Thank you. Recruiters have contacted me a couple of times. Going to submit my app soon, but this forum has me a little concerned after what I've read. then again all the other threads have the same kind of statements regarding other regionals.


Exactly my point. It's the same tactic.

"Come one, come all. Upgrade in 1 year. We have kittens and puppies. With plush crew rooms and travel to the most exotic destinations for free with your friends. We have this, we have that, all while wearing a pilot hat. Why would you choose the other guy?"

I was told by a Mesa recruiter during the interview that I would upgrade after 1 year in 2006. After I signed the training contract and received company materials they had an experience requirement of at least 2000hrs in type to upgrade. Recruiter forgot to tell me that bit of useful information. Also, they didn't tell me the stories of crews sleeping on the RON aircraft during reduced rest. No block or better pay. Work rules that do not incorporate a safe operation. I could go on. After my one year was up, I bolted. Here's the kicker, my last paycheck was withheld!

Guess what ladys and germs. Envoy skimps on pay. Doesn't follow the contract. Wants us to make safe decisions for THEIR benefit. Doesn't honor the fatigue reporting system. How are those crew rooms, oh, and where's that upgrade time?

It's all the same. Brand X, Brand Y. It's still laundry detergent. Don't let the recruiters snag you on hopes and dreams. Because after about a year, you'll realize the truth about what it's really like compared to what the recruiters say.
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:42 PM
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And everyone says envoy isn't growing , looks like the bonuses are working . I wonder how many people are jumping ship from other regionals to come in .
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:58 PM
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And everyone says envoy isn't growing , looks like the bonuses are working . I wonder how many people are jumping ship from other regionals to come in .
Not many, THE GREAT SHUFFLE is done...

Maybe one or two every month.
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Old 07-25-2016, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by thunder3915 View Post
Thank you. Recruiters have contacted me a couple of times. Going to submit my app soon, but this forum has me a little concerned after what I've read. then again all the other threads have the same kind of statements regarding other regionals.
Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.

Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.

Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.

As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.

Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
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Old 07-25-2016, 02:56 PM
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If this was true they wouldn't have to offer sign on bonuses up to 20k. People would voluntarily start coming in the door . But hourly pay of 25 bcks sure isn't great .
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Old 07-25-2016, 03:09 PM
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Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.

Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.

Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.

As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.

Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
This is why people here feel a need to call you out on everything you say. The statement in bold is BS. It isn't "essentially" a department transfer. If it was you would receive longevity credit for your time served at Envoy for vacation. Until the day you step foot on property at AA your not an AA pilot, just stop with this nonsense.
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Old 07-25-2016, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Reservist View Post
This is why people here feel a need to call you out on everything you say. The statement in bold is BS. It isn't "essentially" a department transfer. If it was you would receive longevity credit for your time served at Envoy for vacation. Until the day you step foot on property at AA your not an AA pilot, just stop with this nonsense.
Do you have to interview to get on with AA? No.

Do you have to pass a medical? No.

Do you have to go through any kind of special selection board? No.

You simply transfer over from Envoy to AA. Spin it however you want. You fly your last trip with Envoy one week, and are sitting in class at AA the next...and the only thing you had to do to get there was keep breathing and not get fired. And while vacation doesn't transfer after the 824 group, your company longevity does for retirement purposes among others.
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Old 07-25-2016, 03:42 PM
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Do you have to interview to get on with AA? No.

Do you have to pass a medical? No.

Do you have to go through any kind of special selection board? No.

You simply transfer over from Envoy to AA. Spin it however you want. You fly your last trip with Envoy one week, and are sitting in class at AA the next.OR 16 years later... ..and the only thing you had to do to get there was keep breathing and not get fired. And while vacation doesn't transfer after the 824 group, your company longevity does for retirement purposes among others.
there is no garantee.. AA just pushed back A350 orders.. What is true for a guy hired 6 years ago wont stand true for someone hired today. This has been proven over and over again at Eagle..
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Old 07-25-2016, 05:38 PM
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Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.

Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.

Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.

As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry. Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.

Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
Please disregard this schill above.

I am a 5.5 year ENY guy. I am still an FO but have probably had about as easy a path as any FO out there. I was on reserve a month and a half as a new hire and immediately held decent seniority after that in LGA on the CRJ. I enjoy my job and I enjoy the people I work with. Other than the long upgrade, I have had a very cushy and easy career at ENY, so if there is anything close to an unbiased option from an ENY pilot, I am it.

I am also realistic.

Right now we cannot exercise ANY of the 90 175 options due to SCOPE. The 145s returning may be going right back out the door to PDT. Morale is lower than ever, and just when I think it can't get any lower, it drops even more. Pay is poor, even with the bonuses. Second year pay will be a wash or even less than first year pay because of that. The schedules are worse than they have ever been. As a two year FO I was holding 3 on 4 off commutable in LGA. It's been downhill since.

Our flow program may eventually be very good, but right guys from my seniority at PSA or PDT are projected to flow before I do. Our flow projections have fallen short every year.

I feel that all three wholly owned have issues to fix, and if fixed, could be excellent places to work for a few years while waiting on the flow. Envoy has some big problems on its hands and if management was more willing to work with our union leadership, we could get these problems fixed and ENY will again be a desirable place to work.

Unfortunately, for now, it is been needlessly beat on by management and AAG. If the tactics were changed, pay were raised, and schedules made better, it would be an excellent place to work. For now, however, it is very difficult to recommend this airline for a new hire.
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:46 PM
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LMAO....wow. Jersdawg is exactly correct in what he said.

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Let me encourage you to submit your app as soon as possible. Envoy is hiring in large numbers right now and you'll do much better to get in early and have people coming in behind you.

Reality: We are losing 10-12 FO's a month to LLC's and majors. We aren't hiring much more than that on an average monthly basis (that stay and complete training). Then, you add in the roughly 10 flows per month right now, plus CA's getting hired elsewhere, and we do not have a net gain of pilots right now. Republic and Skywest are filling classes right now.

Envoy is receiving new state of the art Embraer 175 aircraft each month and is being positioned to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. Envoy also flies the CRJ-700 and the Embraer 145. As an all jet carrier, you will not have to fly a turboprop here. You stand a very good chance to be flying the 175 if you can get in very soon.

Bwhahaha....premiere huh? With the worst pay rates and work rules in the industry? That's funny.

Things are looking up at Envoy. Management just announced that all of the Embraer 145 aircraft currently flying at Expressjet will be returned to Envoy in early 2017. This means more flying, more new hires and more Captain slots. We also are looking at Embraer 175 options. American would like to place up to 90 additional 175's at Envoy. You can imagine what this would do to your seniority.

We were punished for our no vote, and a fair amount of our DFW 145 flying was farmed out to XJET. Part of the reason our schedules are horrendously inefficient right now is because of a lack of midday flying. With 145's being transferred to PDT at a faster rate, our airframe numbers won't change appreciably. We will be able to absorb most of the midday flying between higher line values and lots and lots of extentions and junior-mans most likely. The mere fact of more flying returning to us doesn't generate new-hires out of thin air.

AAG is maxed out on RJ scope. With MD-80's and E-190's being retired, there is simply no way for Envoy to exercise any new E-175 options right now. The only possibility is for existing Republic E-175's to come to Envoy, and the likelihood of this will depend on Republic and AAG's negotiations in their bankruptcy.


As you may be aware, Envoy has the most robust flow program in the industry.

At least, until the 824 is through.

Essentially, we are hiring you as an AA pilot from day one. You can expect to work for Envoy for about 6 years before transitioning over to American Airlines. This is a no interview, no medical flow. Essentially, you are transferring from one department to another.

Upgrades just reached 6 years on the last vacancy bid. I expect I will have been at Eagle/envoy over 11 years when (and if) I flow next year.

It's a nice sentiment, but going to AA is NOT a "department transfer." You keep nothing except your company employee number. Not years of service recognition, NOTHING.


Disregard any negativity you see here about Envoy. It's from disgruntled ex employees and others who don't even work here and are likely working at a regional with no flow and no future. Envoy has a very bright future and the lifestyle here is similar to one that you would transition into at AA.
I've been here over ten years. Our quality of life has degraded greatly since the hostile takeover by US Air. Every single envoy pilot that has flowed says the difference in culture and their treatment is night and day, like going from an abusive relationship to a healthy one.

Management has the ability to fix this airline by raising pay and work rules to industry average at the very least. Instead, they laughted at the union's latest proposal, and send employees onto the message boards to push what can only nicely be called propaganda. Pilots are being harassed by schedulers threatening to give PG codes, legitimate fatigue calls go unpaid, and they STILL refuse to rectify our contract with Part 117. That's not negativity, that's the hard truth.
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