New Envoy Information
09-05-2016 | 10:17 AM
#4851
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Congratulations on being extremely short sighted. Where can a new hire go and get paid more?
Oh, first year pay at Regional A or B is $40/hour?? And so what? You will be making that for the next decade as you spin your wheels in place.
In case you haven't figured it out yet: Majors don't hire Regional pilots just because they have 1,000 hours in the left seat of an RJ. They have 11,000+ applications on file, per airline, of people far more qualified than your average Regional pilot.
With a flow through agreement like Envoy's, you will start at average FO pay, and within 5 or 6 years be where the REAL MONEY is: A MAJOR airline. And you got there by having just ONE interview: the one you did to get hired at Envoy.
Meanwhile everyone else who went to non-wholly owned Regionals are still there 6 years later...wasting their money and precious days off attending job fairs. All of a sudden that $40/hour 1st year FO pay doesn't seem worth it in the long run.
Long term vs short term monetary gain. It isn't a complex principle that requires a degree in mathematics to figure out.
Oh, first year pay at Regional A or B is $40/hour?? And so what? You will be making that for the next decade as you spin your wheels in place.
In case you haven't figured it out yet: Majors don't hire Regional pilots just because they have 1,000 hours in the left seat of an RJ. They have 11,000+ applications on file, per airline, of people far more qualified than your average Regional pilot.
With a flow through agreement like Envoy's, you will start at average FO pay, and within 5 or 6 years be where the REAL MONEY is: A MAJOR airline. And you got there by having just ONE interview: the one you did to get hired at Envoy.
Meanwhile everyone else who went to non-wholly owned Regionals are still there 6 years later...wasting their money and precious days off attending job fairs. All of a sudden that $40/hour 1st year FO pay doesn't seem worth it in the long run.
Long term vs short term monetary gain. It isn't a complex principle that requires a degree in mathematics to figure out.
Granted he gets to be based where he lives @ Allegiant and fly the A320 and reap the benefits of their new contract.
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09-05-2016 | 12:14 PM
#4852
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Any more detail on this? Are they sticking to it? Could it revert back to both DFW & ORD base optipns for this month?
Also, anyone have info on how soon a new hire can jumpseat or get flt benefits? Is it after indoc? Ground school? After sims, after IOE?
Thanks,
Also, anyone have info on how soon a new hire can jumpseat or get flt benefits? Is it after indoc? Ground school? After sims, after IOE?
Thanks,
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09-05-2016 | 01:59 PM
#4853
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From: AA A320 FO
There is no GUN VIOLENCE in Chicago. It is PEOPLE VIOLENCE. Speaking as a retired police officer who lost very close friends in the line of duty, I never once saw a VIOLENT GUN.
"Attention all units, I'm in pursuit of a violent gun. Send cover code-3!"
You might not want to be DFW based with your anti-gun rhetoric. Wake up people.
"Attention all units, I'm in pursuit of a violent gun. Send cover code-3!"
You might not want to be DFW based with your anti-gun rhetoric. Wake up people.
09-05-2016 | 08:01 PM
#4854
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From: Gear swinger
As far as base options CRJ/145 ORD
145 DFW
175 DFW
I'm 145 ORD
09-06-2016 | 10:56 AM
#4858
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I tend to ignore people looking for trouble or those who take statements out of whack. Internet i understand. I hope he realized this is not a topic about gun control "O.M.G he said guns, he must be a liberal... rahh rahh rahh." Smh.
Any ways, thanks for the defense. I'm sure that guy knew what i meant.
This APC forum needs more "tolerant" and understanding people.
Much appreciated response.
Thanks @AcesHigh
Any ways, thanks for the defense. I'm sure that guy knew what i meant.
This APC forum needs more "tolerant" and understanding people.
Thanks @AcesHigh
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09-06-2016 | 11:59 AM
#4859
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I've been reading on the new website and about the cadet program. Correct me if I'm wrong...but I'll get $5,000 in tuition reimbursement and $10,000 in sign on bonus instead of $15,000 right up front right?
I'm considering Aerosim and going through the Cadet Program and flying as a Pipeline Instructor. Looking forward to it...but need more information please. Thank you.
I'm considering Aerosim and going through the Cadet Program and flying as a Pipeline Instructor. Looking forward to it...but need more information please. Thank you.
09-06-2016 | 03:30 PM
#4860
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From: 737
I've been reading on the new website and about the cadet program. Correct me if I'm wrong...but I'll get $5,000 in tuition reimbursement and $10,000 in sign on bonus instead of $15,000 right up front right?
I'm considering Aerosim and going through the Cadet Program and flying as a Pipeline Instructor. Looking forward to it...but need more information please. Thank you.
I'm considering Aerosim and going through the Cadet Program and flying as a Pipeline Instructor. Looking forward to it...but need more information please. Thank you.
With the Cadet Program, since the first $5,000 is "Tuition Reimbursement" and paid in installments ($1000, $750, or $500 depending on your ATP/RATP status), it'll be tax-free. In order to receive the full $5,000 in tuition reimbursement, you must have 500 hours TT or less (the installments start at 500 TT then paid every 100 hrs thereafter). This also requires a 1-year commitment to be at Envoy after new hire training.
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