leica typ240

...extra flying is extra flying, whether or not it makes any sense to us. extra flying from other airlines' slack is putting food on the table.

it could be worse, we could lose flying and downgrade or possibly furlough?


...this is a business - if it works for them great, they could careless about you or I with our personal issues! profit > people

SilentLurker

I read the post above and it made me sick in the gut. As we approach Thankgiving holiday in a few weeks, I just want to thank the good man upstair for creating very very very very few pilots at Envoy with concessionary views like the person above.

I'm so thankful for those who have fought the good fight, or else we'd all be screwed. Our family's would be in shambles as well as our profession. Thankful because the safety of countless other familes would be in jeapordy with that persons' false "Business mindset." I choose family's over profits everyday I do my job. I hope smart people at this company can figure that out. Figure out that we can have both family & profit as a priority. A happy workforce is a productive, effective, and efficient workforce. We are capable.

highflyer1980

Not once did I say it isn't a business. I said it's an inefficient business. At every turn it has been an inefficient way of maintaining the operation. Like I said it was AAGs decision to close two bases. Caused over half our group to be commuters. Waited x number of time to increase FO pay to attract new hires and retain them. And finally come to reality that they screwed up on closing said bases. Still they yet to fix our schedules and eliminate the inefficiencies they have created. But some are just fine and dandy with how their boat is sailing now. Sorry, but unlike those who are content, I am not. I didn't tell AAG to mismanage our work. I fly what they assign, but refuse to say "it's okay" or it's all wine and roses here.


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leica typ240

...you forgot to ask your false prophet to give you courage and strength to go to said company. (if you find one)

when I mentioned profit > people, I was referring to this industry that I work in. I would include you but Im not sure if you've completed your type ride yet! this company could careless about our quality of life

things here are not perfect, but nothing in life is! you make the best of what you've got!!!

I just find it comical that people complain that their lives are so miserable but yet continue to report back for duty - day in, day out!

what will change when you or they finally make it to mainline?

SkyWago

Most of the time around here anymore, it is like I have asked for a nice Altbier from the bartender and what was sat down in front of me was an Old Milwaukee.

leica typ240

I never accused you of that


...yes it is, at least to you and I! the decisions they made look great on paper at the time and that's all that matters to them - their bottom line!

that's understandable! not attacking your character personally because I try to respect my "coworkers" but things could be worse, that's all I'm saying

rondonq1

There are many different levels of the uneducated but hijo, you have reached the most high. In the climate of which we are in now, all carriers are hiring. Many more than Envoy offer a better pay and most of all, every one of them offer a better life quality.

I believe that you must be very young and do not understand what is happening now. Listen to the wise ones here who are correct in that the life at Envoy is far, far from roses. It's very bad in fact.

rondonq1

Mr. Flamesky, are you management? Or maybe it is that you work in the recruiting department. Another level of uneducated post.

NealSpanier

November 4, 2016

JUNIOR MANNING LIMITS

Fellow DFW Pilots,

Recently, we have received several reports from pilots indicating a dispute with Crew Scheduling’s handling of junior man assignments. Specifically, Crew Scheduling has been building pilots multi-leg and multi-day junior man assignments, extending their normal schedules. A major contention we have with this practice is, for accounting purposes, Crew Scheduling is considering the multi-leg/multi-day junior man assignments as a single junior man event if the addition of the junior man assignments were added to the pilot’s schedule at the same time, thus attempting to avoid the two junior man per month limitation prescribed in our Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).

Your LEC 083 Leadership Team believes our contract provides clear language on junior manning limits with respect to multi-leg and multi-day junior man assignments and requires Crew Scheduling to treat these assignments as more than a single junior man event. When the Company assigns pilots multi-leg and/or multi-day junior man flights and considers this flying to be a single junior man event, they violate CBA Section 11.L.3 (and other sections of our contract) which states:
Additionally, CBA Section 11.L.2 states, “No pilot will be junior-manned more than twice in any contractual month or twelve times in any contractual year.” All crewmembers should familiarize themselves with this contract section and the requirement to notify Crew Scheduling when the pilot has reached the annual limit. Also, when your schedule is adjusted due to a junior man assignment, we ask that you retain evidence of your schedule each time it is changed.

The present action by the Company represents a non-negotiated modification to existing contract language and established practice. Whether multiple junior man assignments are added to a pilot’s schedule all at once or at different times by Crew Scheduling, every time the junior man flying extends the pilot’s schedule by departing and returning to a domicile or extends into another scheduled day off, each additional assignment which extends the pilots schedule is a separate junior man event. Historically, the Company has complied with CBA Section 11.L.3 but, due to recent staffing shortages, they appear to have reinterpreted contract language to suit their needs.

We need all pilots who were required to perform the non-contractual assignment(s) as described above to file a contract compliance dispute form on the ALPA website and to contact your local union representatives immediately ([email protected] & [email protected]). When completing the dispute form and when emailing your representatives, please provide as much detail as possible, including any collected evidence. The Association has addressed this issue with Envoy Management and we anticipate filing a grievance over the Company’s non-contractual actions.

We also want to remind pilots to not invent “personal reasons” in order to utilize CBA Section 11.K.5 to be removed from junior man flying on a scheduled day off. CBA Section 11.K.5 allows a pilot to have a junior man assignment that was added to his/her day off removed with the placeholder code “UA” when a pilot is unable to accept the assignment due to personal reasons. Please be sure to only use this contract provision if you have actual personal reasons that prevent you from accepting the junior man flying on a day off.

As always, if you experience more than two junior man events in any contractual month or other circumstances that may not be in compliance with the contract, please retain all evidence and contact your LEC 083 Leadership Team immediately. Remember, evidence and thorough documentation win grievances so there is no such thing as too much. It is also important to file a timely dispute because the Contract Compliance Committee has 60 days to notify the Company in cases of contract disputes and 14 days in cases of discipline. While we can't oversee each of the thousands of operations conducted daily, with your help and continued vigilance we can address and ultimately resolve issues such as this.

In Unity,


Captain Neal Spanier
ENY LEC-083 Chairman

First Officer Kyle Flynn
ENY LEC-083 Vice-Chairman

Captain Pat Couture
ENY LEC-083 Secretary-Treasurer

Eaglepilot84

More great press for the company. Bravo Tricky Rickey....you're doing great!

In all seriousness, the level to which our contract is continuously violated, with no apparent recourse, is troubling. It hasn't always been like this.