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12-04-2020 | 07:38 AM
#6661
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You are such a moron it is becoming increasingly difficult to even reply to your posts anymore. Perhaps that is by design. To call this "mild" is right up there with "a small blip in human history".
It currently sits #13 on the worlds worst plagues/pandemics and it is still growing.
It is currently the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.
We just surpassed our highest hospitalization counts with that number growing daily.
Anyone that can call 1.5 million deaths, 65 million cases "mild" is either insensitive or trolling, possibly both. You cant just consider "death" as the only metric in this. People deal with lingering, sometimes permanent damage to their bodies including:
The most commonly reported long-term symptoms include:
I say all of this because are all tired of your constant insertion into Envoy matters. You don't work here, nor at AA currently, so why do you have such a need to come here and post-inflammatory remarks? Are you enjoying making people upset? If so, that again speaks volumes about who you are as a person.
The flow wasn't working great prior to this, in fact, it was moving pretty slowly for most people's tastes. There hasn't been an Envoy hired pilot yet to flow, so for you to come in here and say how good it is, to what is mostly Envoy hired pilots, again shows your lack of knowledge over the subject matter, your clear desire to frustrate/anger your fellow pilots and your complete lack of dignity when discussion a worldwide pandemic that is still in its infancy. You can talk about vaccines, AA's aggressing plans, holiday travel etc all you want, but until we actually see it in action or have the results from it, you are guessing at best. You can say how immensely successful something was prior to an event all you want, but it doesn't change anything. Tokyo Electric was wild successful prior to Fukushima's accident, doesn't change that it was an awful event that will have decades-long repercussions.
Move on with your life, go bug your AA coworkers if you must, but please leave us be here at Envoy, and for god's sake, please don't act like you have any clue as to what is going with Covid-19. The best scientists in the world are still grappling with it, so I highly doubt someone that said it would "burn out in the Summer heat" has any leg to stand on.
It currently sits #13 on the worlds worst plagues/pandemics and it is still growing.
It is currently the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.
We just surpassed our highest hospitalization counts with that number growing daily.
Anyone that can call 1.5 million deaths, 65 million cases "mild" is either insensitive or trolling, possibly both. You cant just consider "death" as the only metric in this. People deal with lingering, sometimes permanent damage to their bodies including:
The most commonly reported long-term symptoms include:
- Fatigue
- Shortness of breath
- Cough
- Joint pain
- Chest pain
- Difficulty with thinking and concentration (sometimes referred to as “brain fog”)(This one is being recognized more and more " "New research is now suggesting that there may be long-term neurologic consequences in those who survive COVID infections, including more than seven million Americans and another 27 million people worldwide. Particularly troubling is increasing evidence that there may be mild — but very real — brain damage that occurs in many survivors, causing pervasive yet subtle cognitive, behavioral, and psychological problems."Quoted from Harvard Research Study. (I bet you wouldn't call it "mild" if the FAA took your medical from you due to something like this.)
- Depression
- Muscle pain
- Headache
- Intermittent fever
- Fast-beating or pounding heart (also known as heart palpitations)
- Cardiovascular: inflammation of the heart muscle
- Respiratory: lung function abnormalities
- Renal: acute kidney injury
- Dermatologic: rash, hair loss
- Neurological: smell and taste problems, sleep issues, difficulty with concentration, memory problems
- Psychiatric: depression, anxiety, changes in mood
I say all of this because are all tired of your constant insertion into Envoy matters. You don't work here, nor at AA currently, so why do you have such a need to come here and post-inflammatory remarks? Are you enjoying making people upset? If so, that again speaks volumes about who you are as a person.
The flow wasn't working great prior to this, in fact, it was moving pretty slowly for most people's tastes. There hasn't been an Envoy hired pilot yet to flow, so for you to come in here and say how good it is, to what is mostly Envoy hired pilots, again shows your lack of knowledge over the subject matter, your clear desire to frustrate/anger your fellow pilots and your complete lack of dignity when discussion a worldwide pandemic that is still in its infancy. You can talk about vaccines, AA's aggressing plans, holiday travel etc all you want, but until we actually see it in action or have the results from it, you are guessing at best. You can say how immensely successful something was prior to an event all you want, but it doesn't change anything. Tokyo Electric was wild successful prior to Fukushima's accident, doesn't change that it was an awful event that will have decades-long repercussions.
Move on with your life, go bug your AA coworkers if you must, but please leave us be here at Envoy, and for god's sake, please don't act like you have any clue as to what is going with Covid-19. The best scientists in the world are still grappling with it, so I highly doubt someone that said it would "burn out in the Summer heat" has any leg to stand on.
Go put your mask back on and shelter in place at your home. If you truly work for Envoy, you have no leg to stand on in coming to work at all right now.
12-04-2020 | 07:54 AM
#6662
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Joined: Mar 2017
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I can see that you are totally not grounded in reality. Are you not aware that medical entities get money from the government for COVID deaths? Are you aware that most of the deaths are from elderly are those with multiple comorbidities? It's obvious that you are part of the scare crowd that thinks that government/people can actually control a virus. You can't stop it. And if it was bad, then I would agree with you. 99.77% of the total people who have gotten this that are otherwise healthy, HAVE RECOVERED! Guess you fail to recognize that.
Go put your mask back on and shelter in place at your home. If you truly work for Envoy, you have no leg to stand on in coming to work at all right now.
Go put your mask back on and shelter in place at your home. If you truly work for Envoy, you have no leg to stand on in coming to work at all right now.
I have known two people who contracted it personally. One survived, one died. The one who died was older, but they actually didn't die from Covid and their death certificate doesn't list the cause as Covid. Guess what it does list? Pneumonia. Guess what caused that? You guessed it, Covid. All of this to say that there is a counterpoint to your argument about governments giving money for deaths and thus medical entities wanting to get extra money and that is, often Covid doesn't kill the person but rather the damage it causes or illnesses it brings on.
As for the one I know that recovered, they are still dealing with a lack of smell/taste and are certainly dealing with the "brain fog". Perhaps with all your downtime you should go and read facts, not what some talking head spews out on the radio or tv. I do go to work and no, I don't live in fear, however, I am also not so ignorant to dismiss this as some passing fad.
I will wait for your reply, one in which I can almost certainly expect no evidence to dismiss anything in my original post and one that is filled with more of your typical talking points.
12-04-2020 | 07:58 AM
#6663
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I can see that you are totally not grounded in reality. Are you not aware that medical entities get money from the government for COVID deaths? Are you aware that most of the deaths are from elderly are those with multiple comorbidities? It's obvious that you are part of the scare crowd that thinks that government/people can actually control a virus. You can't stop it. And if it was bad, then I would agree with you. 99.77% of the total people who have gotten this that are otherwise healthy, HAVE RECOVERED! Guess you fail to recognize that.
Go put your mask back on and shelter in place at your home. If you truly work for Envoy, you have no leg to stand on in coming to work at all right now.
Go put your mask back on and shelter in place at your home. If you truly work for Envoy, you have no leg to stand on in coming to work at all right now.
Reality check, envoy is 6 months to maybe 2 years away from potentially closing its door OR prosperity, anything can happen in bankruptcy. The future of the flow is in great danger, but might be the least of anyone’s worries in the preceding year.
12-04-2020 | 08:02 AM
#6664
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Again, I choose my faith in established science and academia, not you. If you have anything to add/dispute to anything I stated above, please feel free to post that. I won't get into an argument with you over "opinions from a lunatic". I do work for Envoy, so let's not try and go down that road. If by recovered you mean survived, OK, perhaps that is true, however, the point of my entire post was that you can't judge this solely on deaths, a point you failed to offer any counterpoint to. There are people that have and will die from Covid related complications down the road, numbers that haven't been counted. We also can speculate that there will be people who die younger due to complications or damage caused by Covid. This is all yet to be determined, so you coming off as some sage that knows the future is baffling, especially considering your previous predictions.
I have known two people who contracted it personally. One survived, one died. The one who died was older, but they actually didn't die from Covid and their death certificate doesn't list the cause as Covid. Guess what it does list? Pneumonia. Guess what caused that? You guessed it, Covid. All of this to say that there is a counterpoint to your argument about governments giving money for deaths and thus medical entities wanting to get extra money and that is, often Covid doesn't kill the person but rather the damage it causes or illnesses it brings on.
As for the one I know that recovered, they are still dealing with a lack of smell/taste and are certainly dealing with the "brain fog". Perhaps with all your downtime you should go and read facts, not what some talking head spews out on the radio or tv. I do go to work and no, I don't live in fear, however, I am also not so ignorant to dismiss this as some passing fad.
I will wait for your reply, one in which I can almost certainly expect no evidence to dismiss anything in my original post and one that is filled with more of your typical talking points.
I have known two people who contracted it personally. One survived, one died. The one who died was older, but they actually didn't die from Covid and their death certificate doesn't list the cause as Covid. Guess what it does list? Pneumonia. Guess what caused that? You guessed it, Covid. All of this to say that there is a counterpoint to your argument about governments giving money for deaths and thus medical entities wanting to get extra money and that is, often Covid doesn't kill the person but rather the damage it causes or illnesses it brings on.
As for the one I know that recovered, they are still dealing with a lack of smell/taste and are certainly dealing with the "brain fog". Perhaps with all your downtime you should go and read facts, not what some talking head spews out on the radio or tv. I do go to work and no, I don't live in fear, however, I am also not so ignorant to dismiss this as some passing fad.
I will wait for your reply, one in which I can almost certainly expect no evidence to dismiss anything in my original post and one that is filled with more of your typical talking points.
Check out the "science." The Philippines had one of the most aggressive lockdowns in the world. Sweden was at the other side of the lockdowns with basically, continue life as usual and protect those that are elderly or have conditions. The Philippines actually fared worse.
A Tale of Two Lockdowns: Sweden vs. the Philippines | RealClearMarkets
Maybe YOU should do a little more research before just basing it on a "coupla cases" that you personally encountered. THAT is not representative of anything except an emotional response. With your judgment here, you really shouldn't be flying planes. I might suggest returning to your former career.
12-04-2020 | 09:12 AM
#6665
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The "science" is all over the place with this and nobody really knows. I already gave you a percentage straight from the CDC website that totals deaths with those who have no comorbidities or are not over age 70.
Check out the "science." The Philippines had one of the most aggressive lockdowns in the world. Sweden was at the other side of the lockdowns with basically, continue life as usual and protect those that are elderly or have conditions. The Philippines actually fared worse.
A Tale of Two Lockdowns: Sweden vs. the Philippines | RealClearMarkets
Maybe YOU should do a little more research before just basing it on a "coupla cases" that you personally encountered. THAT is not representative of anything except an emotional response. With your judgment here, you really shouldn't be flying planes. I might suggest returning to your former career.
Check out the "science." The Philippines had one of the most aggressive lockdowns in the world. Sweden was at the other side of the lockdowns with basically, continue life as usual and protect those that are elderly or have conditions. The Philippines actually fared worse.
A Tale of Two Lockdowns: Sweden vs. the Philippines | RealClearMarkets
Maybe YOU should do a little more research before just basing it on a "coupla cases" that you personally encountered. THAT is not representative of anything except an emotional response. With your judgment here, you really shouldn't be flying planes. I might suggest returning to your former career.
Secondly, I never said my experience with two people was representative of anything. I was simply pointing out that while there may be 1.5 million deaths directly attributed to Covid 19, there could be millions more that died to complications from or injury to other organs from Covid. I simply brought that up to show that I have first-hand experience with someone who contracted Covid, tested positive from it, recovered from Covid, and died from another condition all in the span of about 2.5 weeks, with their cause of death not mentioning Covid. The point being here is Covid can be the major contributor to another cause of death, thus skewing the numbers.
I also am not claiming to have all the answers but I think it is wildly irresponsible to label this thing as "mild" simply based on data that isn't even a year old. I also felt the point needed to be made that "death" numbers are the only thing we need to be looking at. Secondary symptoms and aliments can and most likely will cause a whole host of other issues as we move forward.
Lastly, all your positivity is simply hope and a prayer. You have constantly been wrong about Covid, the airlines handling of it as well as the recovery. I don't know why you are so confident given your track record. I will end with that, I don't see the point in wasting my time responding to you on this topic unless you offer something more concrete and less hyperbolic.
12-04-2020 | 09:24 AM
#6666
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OK, so now we are deflecting to a new topic instead of linking or citing anything relevant. Comparing Sweden and the Philippines is a pretty bold thing to do, given the vast population differences, not to mention the age of the citizens. Secondly, this is an economic website now knowing all the nuances of epidemiology. In addition, I never mentioned a lockdown in the post I was responding to yours. You called Covid 19 "mild" and I was offering a counterpoint to that. Covid 19 is too new for you to be making such definitive statements.
Secondly, I never said my experience with two people was representative of anything. I was simply pointing out that while there may be 1.5 million deaths directly attributed to Covid 19, there could be millions more that died to complications from or injury to other organs from Covid. I simply brought that up to show that I have first-hand experience with someone who contracted Covid, tested positive from it, recovered from Covid, and died from another condition all in the span of about 2.5 weeks, with their cause of death not mentioning Covid. The point being here is Covid can be the major contributor to another cause of death, thus skewing the numbers.
I also am not claiming to have all the answers but I think it is wildly irresponsible to label this thing as "mild" simply based on data that isn't even a year old. I also felt the point needed to be made that "death" numbers are the only thing we need to be looking at. Secondary symptoms and aliments can and most likely will cause a whole host of other issues as we move forward.
Lastly, all your positivity is simply hope and a prayer. You have constantly been wrong about Covid, the airlines handling of it as well as the recovery. I don't know why you are so confident given your track record. I will end with that, I don't see the point in wasting my time responding to you on this topic unless you offer something more concrete and less hyperbolic.
Secondly, I never said my experience with two people was representative of anything. I was simply pointing out that while there may be 1.5 million deaths directly attributed to Covid 19, there could be millions more that died to complications from or injury to other organs from Covid. I simply brought that up to show that I have first-hand experience with someone who contracted Covid, tested positive from it, recovered from Covid, and died from another condition all in the span of about 2.5 weeks, with their cause of death not mentioning Covid. The point being here is Covid can be the major contributor to another cause of death, thus skewing the numbers.
I also am not claiming to have all the answers but I think it is wildly irresponsible to label this thing as "mild" simply based on data that isn't even a year old. I also felt the point needed to be made that "death" numbers are the only thing we need to be looking at. Secondary symptoms and aliments can and most likely will cause a whole host of other issues as we move forward.
Lastly, all your positivity is simply hope and a prayer. You have constantly been wrong about Covid, the airlines handling of it as well as the recovery. I don't know why you are so confident given your track record. I will end with that, I don't see the point in wasting my time responding to you on this topic unless you offer something more concrete and less hyperbolic.
I've been in this business for many, many years. I was at Eagle during the Saab and ATR days and thus have firsthand knowledge of how much better Envoy is than it's predecessor. We truly are AMERICAN now. Optimism is good, you should try it. I also have the numbers and fact planning of American Airlines on my side as well.
12-04-2020 | 09:28 AM
#6667
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From: AOG
https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...b-d4d7546f4cdb
looks like bookings aren’t what AAG were hoping for and the losses will be around $30 million per day for the 4th quarter. With $14 billion in cash liquidity, how long does AAG ride it out before they make a trip to the District Court to file Chapter 11?
looks like bookings aren’t what AAG were hoping for and the losses will be around $30 million per day for the 4th quarter. With $14 billion in cash liquidity, how long does AAG ride it out before they make a trip to the District Court to file Chapter 11?
12-04-2020 | 02:48 PM
#6668
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Joined: Jan 2017
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You are right. It's a waste of time to discuss anything with you here regarding the coronavirus. Your mind is already made up by what the hysterical media has sold you. As a last point I will say that I have several doctors and other medical personnel in my family thus I'm pulling from a vast well of knowledge.
I've been in this business for many, many years. I was at Eagle during the Saab and ATR days and thus have firsthand knowledge of how much better Envoy is than it's predecessor. We truly are AMERICAN now. Optimism is good, you should try it. I also have the numbers and fact planning of American Airlines on my side as well.
I've been in this business for many, many years. I was at Eagle during the Saab and ATR days and thus have firsthand knowledge of how much better Envoy is than it's predecessor. We truly are AMERICAN now. Optimism is good, you should try it. I also have the numbers and fact planning of American Airlines on my side as well.
12-04-2020 | 03:05 PM
#6669
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Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,578
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From: Semi-Retired...
email your rep. Check the ALPA app or ENY ALPA website. They’re pretty good about getting most things on there.
12-04-2020 | 06:51 PM
#6670
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https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...b-d4d7546f4cdb
looks like bookings aren’t what AAG were hoping for and the losses will be around $30 million per day for the 4th quarter. With $14 billion in cash liquidity, how long does AAG ride it out before they make a trip to the District Court to file Chapter 11?
looks like bookings aren’t what AAG were hoping for and the losses will be around $30 million per day for the 4th quarter. With $14 billion in cash liquidity, how long does AAG ride it out before they make a trip to the District Court to file Chapter 11?
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