Why Envoy's Flow Doesn't Add Up
03-21-2016 | 10:41 AM
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Scraping paint off the hull as they pull into the dock of "competitive range". Aiming as low as they thought they could get away with.
Ah, well. Sounds like they might add more later. Incrementally adding money that they get to advertise the heck out of is well...advertisement. Gets the name out there. Smart, if that's the game they're playing.
Ah, well. Sounds like they might add more later. Incrementally adding money that they get to advertise the heck out of is well...advertisement. Gets the name out there. Smart, if that's the game they're playing.
03-21-2016 | 02:55 PM
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Anyone with access should watch the videos posted on Jetnet, My.Envoy or whatever at the Charlotte town Hall with Parker.
They made it clear in the videos that if the bonus amounts weren't enough to get it done with new hires they would come up with something better. Parker said they will not let the airline suffer because they can't get enough pilots, and they aren't changing the flow numbers. They think the new bonus plan will help, just has been a couple weeks, not long enough to see if it has worked yet. If it's not working, then they will continue to adjust to get more pilots.
They made it clear in the videos that if the bonus amounts weren't enough to get it done with new hires they would come up with something better. Parker said they will not let the airline suffer because they can't get enough pilots, and they aren't changing the flow numbers. They think the new bonus plan will help, just has been a couple weeks, not long enough to see if it has worked yet. If it's not working, then they will continue to adjust to get more pilots.
05-01-2019 | 08:03 AM
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A lot of y'all are looking at this backwards. If Envoy can't staff, that means each pilot they have becomes more valuable. It also means they will be more likely to increase compensation and ease work rules to hang on to everyone they've got.
Head on over to the Mesa thread where current pilots are telling newhires to stay away, so they can get a better contract. Less newhires = more leverage for current pilots, not less.
Also, if the contractual flow is violated, Envoy attrition will probably spike and they would lose more than the 25/month that were flowing.
You guys can't sit here and say, "flow is a carrot, and guys are only staying for the flow." Then turn around and say that the company will shut off the flow and every one will just sit here and wait for it to start again. If they shut it down, many senior FO's down to new FO's will see this as sign of what's to come and bail very quickly.
All that said, I don't have a crystal ball. You guys with your solid predictions and guarantees are fun to read, but the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. One thing is for sure, it'll be interesting times we're heading into.
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Head on over to the Mesa thread where current pilots are telling newhires to stay away, so they can get a better contract. Less newhires = more leverage for current pilots, not less.
Also, if the contractual flow is violated, Envoy attrition will probably spike and they would lose more than the 25/month that were flowing.
You guys can't sit here and say, "flow is a carrot, and guys are only staying for the flow." Then turn around and say that the company will shut off the flow and every one will just sit here and wait for it to start again. If they shut it down, many senior FO's down to new FO's will see this as sign of what's to come and bail very quickly.
All that said, I don't have a crystal ball. You guys with your solid predictions and guarantees are fun to read, but the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. One thing is for sure, it'll be interesting times we're heading into.
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05-01-2019 | 08:14 AM
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Everyone always gets worked up about selections. Selections don't mean anything, it's just a mechanism to put guys in the pool. Over the past couple of years there have been times where they selected between zero pilots and a handful of pilots during selection time. As a result, you had people freaking out about how the flow was slowing. Then you had the months where they'd run a selection of 40+ and you had people bouncing off the walls excited about how they were flowing well above the minimum. What happened in reality every month in each one of those cases? We flowed right at bare minimum of pilots as required by the contract. No more, no less. Don't look into the selections. Look into how many we ACTUALLY flow for the month before either getting excited or ****ed.
05-01-2019 | 08:19 AM
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It's time to call this post what it is. Total BS. Number one, this guy doesn't even work here. He has an axe to grind with Envoy for whatever reason. The fact is, he's probably upset that he isn't at Envoy so that he can take advantage of the flow. Are you upset that you left Envoy for Allegiant ag? Realizing now that it was a mistake?
Listen people, we just posted a vacancy for 87 Captain spots. We are getting two of our E-145's back from Expressjet and you can look for even more of that in the near future. There are big plans in the works for the E-175 program. As many of you are aware, Republic is having trouble meeting their flight schedule. You'll see some shifting going on soon that will favor Envoy.
All of this will require more pilots and more Captains. As those Captains flow to AA at the rate of 30 per month, guess what? The upgrade time is going to drop exponentially. That 2.5 year upgrade you keep hearing about. It's for real. The flow? Look at 5.5 years now. It was described very accurately in another post titled How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flow Works.
Some people just can't take it that Envoy is doing so well. As said before, management is positioning Envoy to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. We are far and away the best in terms of what we offer already to prospective new hires. Let me ask you. Is Endeavor offering a 5.5 year no interview flow to Delta? No. They have to interview and even then, their time at Endeavor is much, much longer than 5 years. And our contract blows theirs away by a long shot. And this is the next closest thing to Envoy in terms of what a regional carrier offers.
Envoy has already flowed almost 500 people to AA in the past couple of years. The flow works people. AAG did this to attract the new hires and to position Envoy for success. If you are here bad mouthing Envoy I say, get over it. Envoy is doing extremely well and will continue to do so. I would guess that others at lesser carriers are jealous of the flow program we have since no one else has it.
Listen people, we just posted a vacancy for 87 Captain spots. We are getting two of our E-145's back from Expressjet and you can look for even more of that in the near future. There are big plans in the works for the E-175 program. As many of you are aware, Republic is having trouble meeting their flight schedule. You'll see some shifting going on soon that will favor Envoy.
All of this will require more pilots and more Captains. As those Captains flow to AA at the rate of 30 per month, guess what? The upgrade time is going to drop exponentially. That 2.5 year upgrade you keep hearing about. It's for real. The flow? Look at 5.5 years now. It was described very accurately in another post titled How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flow Works.
Some people just can't take it that Envoy is doing so well. As said before, management is positioning Envoy to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. We are far and away the best in terms of what we offer already to prospective new hires. Let me ask you. Is Endeavor offering a 5.5 year no interview flow to Delta? No. They have to interview and even then, their time at Endeavor is much, much longer than 5 years. And our contract blows theirs away by a long shot. And this is the next closest thing to Envoy in terms of what a regional carrier offers.
Envoy has already flowed almost 500 people to AA in the past couple of years. The flow works people. AAG did this to attract the new hires and to position Envoy for success. If you are here bad mouthing Envoy I say, get over it. Envoy is doing extremely well and will continue to do so. I would guess that others at lesser carriers are jealous of the flow program we have since no one else has it.
05-01-2019 | 11:05 AM
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It's time to call this post what it is. Total BS. Number one, this guy doesn't even work here. He has an axe to grind with Envoy for whatever reason. The fact is, he's probably upset that he isn't at Envoy so that he can take advantage of the flow. Are you upset that you left Envoy for Allegiant ag? Realizing now that it was a mistake?
Listen people, we just posted a vacancy for 87 Captain spots. We are getting two of our E-145's back from Expressjet and you can look for even more of that in the near future. There are big plans in the works for the E-175 program. As many of you are aware, Republic is having trouble meeting their flight schedule. You'll see some shifting going on soon that will favor Envoy.
All of this will require more pilots and more Captains. As those Captains flow to AA at the rate of 30 per month, guess what? The upgrade time is going to drop exponentially. That 2.5 year upgrade you keep hearing about. It's for real. The flow? Look at 5.5 years now. It was described very accurately in another post titled How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flow Works.
Some people just can't take it that Envoy is doing so well. As said before, management is positioning Envoy to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. We are far and away the best in terms of what we offer already to prospective new hires. Let me ask you. Is Endeavor offering a 5.5 year no interview flow to Delta? No. They have to interview and even then, their time at Endeavor is much, much longer than 5 years. And our contract blows theirs away by a long shot. And this is the next closest thing to Envoy in terms of what a regional carrier offers.
Envoy has already flowed almost 500 people to AA in the past couple of years. The flow works people. AAG did this to attract the new hires and to position Envoy for success. If you are here bad mouthing Envoy I say, get over it. Envoy is doing extremely well and will continue to do so. I would guess that others at lesser carriers are jealous of the flow program we have since no one else has it.
Listen people, we just posted a vacancy for 87 Captain spots. We are getting two of our E-145's back from Expressjet and you can look for even more of that in the near future. There are big plans in the works for the E-175 program. As many of you are aware, Republic is having trouble meeting their flight schedule. You'll see some shifting going on soon that will favor Envoy.
All of this will require more pilots and more Captains. As those Captains flow to AA at the rate of 30 per month, guess what? The upgrade time is going to drop exponentially. That 2.5 year upgrade you keep hearing about. It's for real. The flow? Look at 5.5 years now. It was described very accurately in another post titled How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flow Works.
Some people just can't take it that Envoy is doing so well. As said before, management is positioning Envoy to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. We are far and away the best in terms of what we offer already to prospective new hires. Let me ask you. Is Endeavor offering a 5.5 year no interview flow to Delta? No. They have to interview and even then, their time at Endeavor is much, much longer than 5 years. And our contract blows theirs away by a long shot. And this is the next closest thing to Envoy in terms of what a regional carrier offers.
Envoy has already flowed almost 500 people to AA in the past couple of years. The flow works people. AAG did this to attract the new hires and to position Envoy for success. If you are here bad mouthing Envoy I say, get over it. Envoy is doing extremely well and will continue to do so. I would guess that others at lesser carriers are jealous of the flow program we have since no one else has it.
lets not forget how much Envoy is paying. This is either a very well done troll post or you’ve been there for 1 week of IOE.
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