Why Envoy's Flow Doesn't Add Up
03-21-2016 | 05:34 AM
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It's time to call this post what it is. Total BS. Number one, this guy doesn't even work here. He has an axe to grind with Envoy for whatever reason. The fact is, he's probably upset that he isn't at Envoy so that he can take advantage of the flow. Are you upset that you left Envoy for Allegiant ag? Realizing now that it was a mistake?
Listen people, we just posted a vacancy for 87 Captain spots. We are getting two of our E-145's back from Expressjet and you can look for even more of that in the near future. There are big plans in the works for the E-175 program. As many of you are aware, Republic is having trouble meeting their flight schedule. You'll see some shifting going on soon that will favor Envoy.
All of this will require more pilots and more Captains. As those Captains flow to AA at the rate of 30 per month, guess what? The upgrade time is going to drop exponentially. That 2.5 year upgrade you keep hearing about. It's for real. The flow? Look at 5.5 years now. It was described very accurately in another post titled How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flow Works.
Some people just can't take it that Envoy is doing so well. As said before, management is positioning Envoy to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. We are far and away the best in terms of what we offer already to prospective new hires. Let me ask you. Is Endeavor offering a 5.5 year no interview flow to Delta? No. They have to interview and even then, their time at Endeavor is much, much longer than 5 years. And our contract blows theirs away by a long shot. And this is the next closest thing to Envoy in terms of what a regional carrier offers.
Envoy has already flowed almost 500 people to AA in the past couple of years. The flow works people. AAG did this to attract the new hires and to position Envoy for success. If you are here bad mouthing Envoy I say, get over it. Envoy is doing extremely well and will continue to do so. I would guess that others at lesser carriers are jealous of the flow program we have since no one else has it.
Listen people, we just posted a vacancy for 87 Captain spots. We are getting two of our E-145's back from Expressjet and you can look for even more of that in the near future. There are big plans in the works for the E-175 program. As many of you are aware, Republic is having trouble meeting their flight schedule. You'll see some shifting going on soon that will favor Envoy.
All of this will require more pilots and more Captains. As those Captains flow to AA at the rate of 30 per month, guess what? The upgrade time is going to drop exponentially. That 2.5 year upgrade you keep hearing about. It's for real. The flow? Look at 5.5 years now. It was described very accurately in another post titled How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flow Works.
Some people just can't take it that Envoy is doing so well. As said before, management is positioning Envoy to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. We are far and away the best in terms of what we offer already to prospective new hires. Let me ask you. Is Endeavor offering a 5.5 year no interview flow to Delta? No. They have to interview and even then, their time at Endeavor is much, much longer than 5 years. And our contract blows theirs away by a long shot. And this is the next closest thing to Envoy in terms of what a regional carrier offers.
Envoy has already flowed almost 500 people to AA in the past couple of years. The flow works people. AAG did this to attract the new hires and to position Envoy for success. If you are here bad mouthing Envoy I say, get over it. Envoy is doing extremely well and will continue to do so. I would guess that others at lesser carriers are jealous of the flow program we have since no one else has it.
Wow dude, I wish they served me the same Kool-Aid you're drinking when I was at Envoy. I've seen Doug Parker, and upper management at their absolute worst and know what they are capable of.
Best advice is go to Envoy if you live in base and don't want to commute. Get some 121 time and have the flow as a plan D.
03-21-2016 | 05:39 AM
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I believe that was sarcasm..... Envoy has people getting hired off the street at American too.
03-21-2016 | 06:22 AM
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It's time to call this post what it is. Total BS. Number one, this guy doesn't even work here. He has an axe to grind with Envoy for whatever reason. The fact is, he's probably upset that he isn't at Envoy so that he can take advantage of the flow. Are you upset that you left Envoy for Allegiant ag? Realizing now that it was a mistake?
Listen people, we just posted a vacancy for 87 Captain spots. We are getting two of our E-145's back from Expressjet and you can look for even more of that in the near future. There are big plans in the works for the E-175 program. As many of you are aware, Republic is having trouble meeting their flight schedule. You'll see some shifting going on soon that will favor Envoy.
All of this will require more pilots and more Captains. As those Captains flow to AA at the rate of 30 per month, guess what? The upgrade time is going to drop exponentially. That 2.5 year upgrade you keep hearing about. It's for real. The flow? Look at 5.5 years now. It was described very accurately in another post titled How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flow Works.
Some people just can't take it that Envoy is doing so well. As said before, management is positioning Envoy to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. We are far and away the best in terms of what we offer already to prospective new hires. Let me ask you. Is Endeavor offering a 5.5 year no interview flow to Delta? No. They have to interview and even then, their time at Endeavor is much, much longer than 5 years. And our contract blows theirs away by a long shot. And this is the next closest thing to Envoy in terms of what a regional carrier offers.
Envoy has already flowed almost 500 people to AA in the past couple of years. The flow works people. AAG did this to attract the new hires and to position Envoy for success. If you are here bad mouthing Envoy I say, get over it. Envoy is doing extremely well and will continue to do so. I would guess that others at lesser carriers are jealous of the flow program we have since no one else has it.
Listen people, we just posted a vacancy for 87 Captain spots. We are getting two of our E-145's back from Expressjet and you can look for even more of that in the near future. There are big plans in the works for the E-175 program. As many of you are aware, Republic is having trouble meeting their flight schedule. You'll see some shifting going on soon that will favor Envoy.
All of this will require more pilots and more Captains. As those Captains flow to AA at the rate of 30 per month, guess what? The upgrade time is going to drop exponentially. That 2.5 year upgrade you keep hearing about. It's for real. The flow? Look at 5.5 years now. It was described very accurately in another post titled How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flow Works.
Some people just can't take it that Envoy is doing so well. As said before, management is positioning Envoy to be the premiere regional carrier in the U.S. We are far and away the best in terms of what we offer already to prospective new hires. Let me ask you. Is Endeavor offering a 5.5 year no interview flow to Delta? No. They have to interview and even then, their time at Endeavor is much, much longer than 5 years. And our contract blows theirs away by a long shot. And this is the next closest thing to Envoy in terms of what a regional carrier offers.
Envoy has already flowed almost 500 people to AA in the past couple of years. The flow works people. AAG did this to attract the new hires and to position Envoy for success. If you are here bad mouthing Envoy I say, get over it. Envoy is doing extremely well and will continue to do so. I would guess that others at lesser carriers are jealous of the flow program we have since no one else has it.
What if I told you pilots don't hate the flow? They just don't trust you.
STOP CONTRACT VIOLATIONS!!!!
03-21-2016 | 06:41 AM
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Wow dude, I wish they served me the same Kool-Aid you're drinking when I was at Envoy. I've seen Doug Parker, and upper management at their absolute worst and know what they are capable of.
Best advice is go to Envoy if you live in base and don't want to commute. Get some 121 time and have the flow as a plan D.
Best advice is go to Envoy if you live in base and don't want to commute. Get some 121 time and have the flow as a plan D.
03-21-2016 | 06:43 AM
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03-21-2016 | 06:46 AM
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Year 1: $26
Year 2: $35
Year 3: $38
Year 4: $40
Just sayin'. People can't just keep living on their credit cards and spend the following 10 years paying them back.
change the above and this kind of useless pro & con partisan thread won't be needed.
Year 2: $35
Year 3: $38
Year 4: $40
Just sayin'. People can't just keep living on their credit cards and spend the following 10 years paying them back.
change the above and this kind of useless pro & con partisan thread won't be needed.
03-21-2016 | 07:06 AM
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The REALITY is what you see above PLUS contract violations, 11-13 days off a month with low time lines. Oh and lots of time in Grand Island Nebraska, Joplin Misery, and the ever popular Jackson MS!
But the flow.....ohhhh the flowwww.
It's all smoke and mirrors and management laughs at every one of you that falls for it.
(This PSA brought to you by someone who DOES work here)
03-21-2016 | 07:13 AM
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The more they stick it to you unanswered the bigger their wallets get. It's not like you are going to do anything about it right?
03-21-2016 | 09:23 AM
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So 1st year works out to be about
$31.50/hr
or
$42.60/hr for former 121 new hires.
Not great, but it's better than the posted $26.
Same goes for current Envoy pilots on 1st and 2nd year pay. They got a $20,000 bonus.
03-21-2016 | 09:41 AM
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Anyone with access should watch the videos posted on Jetnet, My.Envoy or whatever at the Charlotte town Hall with Parker.
They made it clear in the videos that if the bonus amounts weren't enough to get it done with new hires they would come up with something better. Parker said they will not let the airline suffer because they can't get enough pilots, and they aren't changing the flow numbers. They think the new bonus plan will help, just has been a couple weeks, not long enough to see if it has worked yet. If it's not working, then they will continue to adjust to get more pilots.
They said they weren't going for industry leading W2's like Endeavor at this time. They are well aware of everything everyone else is offering. The new bonus implemented was just to get us more into the "competitive range", and they feel like this plus a job at AA still has much more value than a higher bonus somewhere else, when you take into account lifetime earnings potential at AA.
The plan is still to grow the 3 WO's now that the contracts are competitive because it keeps all of the profits in house. They claim they are going to do what they have to do to get it done.
(their words, not mine).
They made it clear in the videos that if the bonus amounts weren't enough to get it done with new hires they would come up with something better. Parker said they will not let the airline suffer because they can't get enough pilots, and they aren't changing the flow numbers. They think the new bonus plan will help, just has been a couple weeks, not long enough to see if it has worked yet. If it's not working, then they will continue to adjust to get more pilots.
They said they weren't going for industry leading W2's like Endeavor at this time. They are well aware of everything everyone else is offering. The new bonus implemented was just to get us more into the "competitive range", and they feel like this plus a job at AA still has much more value than a higher bonus somewhere else, when you take into account lifetime earnings potential at AA.
The plan is still to grow the 3 WO's now that the contracts are competitive because it keeps all of the profits in house. They claim they are going to do what they have to do to get it done.
(their words, not mine).
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