AdiosMikeFox

Maybe you should apply for a management position, you sound like you'd treat the people ok.

This is ENY, and all things being equal management here will choose the option that costs less in the immediate term and ignore the long term. The flow is constantly on the chopping block because it's a way to control us.

Flow has been, and is being sacrificed, to sweep management's issues under the rug.

It'd be just as likely for them to make everyone here leave until the airline needs to be shut down by their measure, then re-hire all those experienced pilots for cheap at one of the other WO carriers.

It'd be nice if I could believe your predictions, but when push comes to shove ENY has always thrown employees under the bus to accomplish what they want. If there are bonuses, they are the minimum required to keep things running. Never enough to actually change attitudes.

MrBogardi

Dr. Malcolm was dead the whole time

BealBadDeal

They won't do crap. Once a pilot is there very few would ever leave and give up that precious seniority, as if it was worth a million dollars. Management knows that 99% would stay until and unless they are hired by a major. Regional pilots are all talk and no action. I have seen so many flows come and go over the years, maybe 3% of the people I know who have been in the flows have ended up flowing. Pilots will work for promises, there does not have to be any substance behind it. Take the money, don't go to a flow unless it pays the same. You can't feed your kids with promises. If you demand they pay they will. Like they say at Gojet, "why pay everyone more when
a one-time 15k payment allows you to own a guy for 8 years!"

GodIsGood

I am not management but I do know that, with our performance, AAG is going to do what needs to be done to staff this place.

Eaglepilot84

The class of 3 was an "extra" class. We have been averaging 18/month which is above the target envoy management is looking for.

adspilot

Ok! Can I just point out ONE HUGE major flaw in your hypothesis?

If we believe anything you say then your end advice should be, "do no go to any regional that flies American Eagle planes."

If AAG won't flow pilots because they need to keep their regional feed going, then why would AAG hire Compass, MESA, Skywest,or any other regional that flies American Eagle jets??

What AAG is going to do is way beyond your comprehension and mine and is all left up to one simple fact. AAG will take the cheapest way out every time. Or at least make the decision that they think will be the cheapest at the time.

If the flow stops or slows mass exodus will happen with envoy pilots. Just like mass exodus will happen if republic touches their pilots contract.

ag386

OK, so I'm pathetic. So what? What I'm trying to paint here is a scenario that could very likely happen and with the facts we have today, most likely will happen. Having been under Envoy management's thumb for several years as a pilot, I am aware of how they truly treat their employees. AdiosMikeFox said it best in a post above. You will be dealt with as necessary and kicked to the curb as necessary. They do not care about you or your plans to make it to AA.

I have to get pretty loud here as the hardcore Envoy supporters will absolutely not entertain anything at all that cuts off their flow. They also paint the rosiest of pictures related to how life really is at Envoy on a day to day basis. I'm telling you. I've been there and it ain't good.

I'm really just putting this scenario out there for those who are thinking about Envoy. You need to consider this and not buy into all that flow baloney that management puts out.

ag386

BS numbers. Prove it.

adspilot

18 per month for TWO months.

The actual average is MUCH MUCH lower. Less than 10 per month for the past two years.

ORDinary

To Parker & co. cost is what matters in a regional, not performance (according to both their words and their actions). If all they wanted was performance they could have left us alone as 95% of AA's feed, instead of whipsawing us and giving our planes away to the lowest, and frequently poorest-performing, bidders.

I agree that eventually their hand will be forced and they'll have to throw more money at the staffing problem. I just think that they will continually do too little, too late. Maybe I'll be wrong. I really can't see why you would trust them so eagerly, given their past and current performance.