Eaglepilot84

Per the MEC newsblast and updated thru 3/15/2016 the new hires YTD is 40. So I stand corrected that the average for this year is 16 per month. I expect that to increase now that RAH has declared bk and with the new-hire bonus programs being offered. Could I be wrong? Sure, it's just an educated guess. But at least my estimates have facts behind them rather then the emotional ones you put forth due to your bitterness towards envoy. How's Allegiant kiddo?

RyanP

Here is the facts posted in the picture below. New hire numbers with new 15K bonus addition and DFW E175 classes availabe yet to be determined when that was put out. Supposedly much more interest now for the 175 classes but I don't know for sure. Pilots that have flowed from Eagle before the 824 are not included in this count.

Flows never work?
Worked for these 492 guys the past couple years and people are in class again this month. Yes, it took the current flows forever at Eagle since American didn't hire since what, 2001?. OBVIOUSLY that slowed down everyone's career progression out of here. People see those guys have 16 years seniority and freak out or other idiots try to scare people off by saying it will take new hires 16 years as well since that is what it is for the guys currently. That is the past and applies if you were here during 9/11, AA furloughing, flowbacks, Age 65, bankruptcy etc etc. That stagnation doesn't apply to a new hire that wasn't here yet. Things are moving rapidly now since hiring at AA resumed. Hiring at AA is not going to stop anytime soon unless the whole industry tanks again. In which case we are all screwed anyway.

Other people like to trash the flow and say it will never work to try and justify their decisions to leave, hoping it doesn't work out to make themselves feel better about leaving, or others constantly posting negative predictions about it don't even work here at all and desperately want the new hires to go to their regional instead to fuel their quick upgrade mills. Eaglefly is a special case, which is odd for someone who flowed to AA from here, his main goal on this forum for the past year is just to try and make Envoy not get any new hires at all. For some twisted reason he gets a kick out of it. But whatever, Envoy may suck, nobody is saying it isn't a craphole regional, pretty sure none of us have said this is some amazing place to work. It isn't. (But we are supposedly management salesman). We just work here. It's a regional and it sucks. It's not what it use to be. All the rest of the regionals suck as well, name one that doesn't! This whole regional industry sucks and needs to go away, but the flow here IS working just fine. The REAL numbers below show that.
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PilotJ3

What are the points of this many threads about Envoy Flow? Clearly this is probably another REGIONAL pilot, claiming being at a ULCC. As far as some people want to sell envoy, other wants the flying and new hires for their places.

Back in 2012-2014 many regional pilots wanted the demise of American Eagle, because it benefits them. Now that the wheel is turning around, they want to prevent new hires here by bashing the flow, projection, gaining planes and flying back from them that was given because we voted no.

But why every 2 days there's a new thread about this or that? It's Bs...

At least eaglefly worked here at a moment, the original poster never flew here.

AdiosMikeFox

You're only noting the extremes and not mentioning the realists that think the flow will not meet the magic numbers that keep being thrown around by centerport. That's a real, tangible issue.

squib

Mass exodus to where? A lateral move to the next greatest regional?

Mainline is pulling their flying back in. It's evident. Don't chase flow carrots that aren't going to exist in 5-8 years. Do the math, a pilot hired tomorrow at any regional with a flow will not see their number called until at least 5 years from now, minimum. That's if the flow agreements still even exist then. Anyone with any time in this industry knows that 5 years is nearly an eternity.

Sliceback

17.6 per month for the 1/2014-10/2015 data AA flight department released.

RyanP

I totally understand that. The flow may slow down one day. It may have hiccups. The airline may not even exist in 5 years. I have no idea. They also may raise the first year pay to get more new hires here finally, It has fallen behind everyone and they know it. They may up things to an Endeavor style bonus and steal all their new hires if things go the hell. Who knows?

To be honest. A month ago I would have said they would have never caved and gave us $$$. I thought AAG would NEVER in a million years give our current FO's 20K bonuses. That is a big step in the right direction from them for once. Unheard of in the past with these people. They said they wouldn't give us any retention or any kind of bonus ever just a matter of months ago, yet they just did it out of necessity. Who's to say they won't give more when this scheme isn't enough to try and fight off total collapse of their regional love fest? This is probably just a feeler amount to see if it works. These cheapskates weren't going to go all in yet if they don't have too. If they do decide to pay up like Endeavor in the future, those big classes they are getting over there will be in trouble because this place would all of a sudden be a better choice with a straight no interview flow + $$$.

A lot of things "could" happen.

iFlyRC

Whats bizarre to me is that you all want to go to American, an airline to this day that still treats the TWA people like un-wanted step children, and with US Airways, lets not even go there!

eaglefly

Because outside their university agreements, they only get a trickle. The universities only belch out a cluster at the end of semesters and ultimately that alone won't feed the bulldog. All the banter here won't change that either way. Barring any true bombshells, Envoy is virtually certain to have some serious issues by years end.

Of course, it's very likely that all AAG needs out of them as by then, other factors will be in place to allow another path that will suffice for for a year or so. In the interim, it could be a very quiet second half of the year at Envoy flow wise.

eaglefly

There IS another option.