For those with 5 years it won't be the full $20,000. Most will upgrade before the two years hit. And before you say at least you are upgrading, we still have the worst reserve rules in the industry and the worst schedules 4 on 2 off 11 days off 75 hour lines are the norm here.

 

Then don't upgrade. I can't believe this is even an actual conversation. Upgrading is bad, now? How much of a pay increase does an FO get when he upgrades? Yeah...exactly.

Thanks for stopping by. Sorry eagle lounge is dying a slow death and you need a new forum to complain on.

 

...we actually have both!!!


...pilots will always complain about something! if our schedules had a day trip worth 2 hours but get credited for 75, pilots will still complain!!!

 

Running some quick upgrade numbers for those interested. 2 scenarios.

Scentric 1. We lose 300 captains to the flow next year and hire 300 FOs to replace.
Most junior upgrade awarded was an October 2010 hire.
300 after that pilot is a November 2011 hire. So upgrade would stay the same through end of 2017 at 6 years.
300 after that though started class on monday. So 2018 upgrades would be around 2 years.

Scenario 2. We lose 400 to flow and are able replace them with new FOs.
Same pilot is most junior captain awarded
400 after that pilot is a march 2014 hire. Meaning upgrade would drop by end of 2017 to 2 and 3/4 years and would continue to fall as there aren't even 300 pilots following that pilot.

Rough numbers based on an old seniority list but illustrates how quickly upgrades could drop here and current times don't necessarily project future upgrade times.

 

I'd like to learn more about Envoy's work rules and the schedules. Could someone post or send me what some 4 day trips look like? And just some basic work rules as well?

 

Ive got 25 hours. I plan to go to Aerosim.

 

I've got more than 25 hours in the flare.

 

Here's a sample of a trip of mine earlier this month. My whole month was pretty much this:

Day 1: DFW-SUX-DFW-TRC

34 hour overnight

Day 2: Off in TRC

Day 3: TRC-DFW-SGF-DFW-BMI

12 hour overnight

Day 4: BMI-DFW

Finished at 9:30am

 

Don't forget all the CA's and senior FO's going to other LCC and Legacies every month outside of the flow. I see a steady number of resigns on the CA list going to UAL, SWA and DAL. FO's going all over.

Attrition will likely be 500+ next year pretty easily if the flow holds up.

 

Haha I'm only a beginner. That's why I want to go to Aerosim and go Part 141.