Pay increases at Envoy
09-14-2016 | 09:26 AM
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This announcement makes envoy a top tier choice for a prospective new hire. Envoy is many things and we have our issues. So do all regionals. So do all carriers. Senior FOs are now making what a "quick upgrade" captain makes at Mesa and has a better quality of life with a guaranteed career path. 1000 TPIC is not the magic ticket to getting hired at the majors, one would be smart to hedge their bets at envoy. We are looking to improve our RSV and schedules in the near future. If we can combine these pay improvements with better work rules, it's a great time to be an envoy pilot!
09-14-2016 | 09:28 AM
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Ok Skyvector... Why do you keep saying upgrade time is going to be less than three years? Some serious movement has to take place before you can start predicting this. When I start seeing classes of 20-25 every two weeks for 3-4 months in a row then I can understand making this wild claim.
Until then you are just a crazy man that cut down his corn to build a baseball field that is hearing voices in your head.
This is huge for new hires and first year FOs. It's alright for pilots on step two and three, but it's a huge slap in the face for senior FOs. However, if this creates more movement and helps us upgrade faster then I think might alleviate some of the sting for the slap in the face.
For the past year these incentives they have rolled out have fallen way short. This proposal although not as good as I would of wanted might just be enough to get the people we need in the door. Time will only tell.
Until then you are just a crazy man that cut down his corn to build a baseball field that is hearing voices in your head.
This is huge for new hires and first year FOs. It's alright for pilots on step two and three, but it's a huge slap in the face for senior FOs. However, if this creates more movement and helps us upgrade faster then I think might alleviate some of the sting for the slap in the face.
For the past year these incentives they have rolled out have fallen way short. This proposal although not as good as I would of wanted might just be enough to get the people we need in the door. Time will only tell.
Maybe more will come & you can flow.
Its more than Mgmts job, we all have a role to play to play improving and all our words are impactful to both potential newhires and current. Don't burn the hand that feeds you, find intelligent ways to make a difference.
People all pilots at the WO should do atleast one of the following to make a difference.
1. Get involved in Union
2. Volunteer to help Union
3. Volunteer at company Charity events and network.
4. Try to get involved or with recruiting and make extra cash
5. Try not to trash your home base, pilot group, or union members fighting for your benefits publicly. Keep your grievence inhouse and solve it inhouse like mature individuals do. Your bitting both hands trying to eat from plate (in other words, your hurting your own future prospectus 1 debbie downer salty post at a time).
Just my opinion. Strong pilot group, strong WO, strong Union.
EVY/PSA/PDT support each other. BE united, be a strong a WO/pilot group GOING FORWARD.
09-14-2016 | 09:38 AM
#194
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Wrong. You are truly beyond a troll. You are firmly in the tool category.
To clarify buddies misinformation: This pay increase is contractual, not a bonus. The company can't arbitrarily knock everyone back to the old pay scales. These are new permanent pay rates.
Disregard this fool. He's butt hurt because his group-the lifers-didn't get any bonuses. He could have flowed...but at the time he was mister big, bad, rich regional pilot who was too good for AA. Now he's just bitter.
To clarify buddies misinformation: This pay increase is contractual, not a bonus. The company can't arbitrarily knock everyone back to the old pay scales. These are new permanent pay rates.
Disregard this fool. He's butt hurt because his group-the lifers-didn't get any bonuses. He could have flowed...but at the time he was mister big, bad, rich regional pilot who was too good for AA. Now he's just bitter.
09-14-2016 | 09:42 AM
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Maybe you need to he doing more not to chase away newhires or potential new hires online forums....
Maybe more will come & you can flow.
Its more than Mgmts job, we all have a role to play to play improving and all our words are impactful to both potential newhires and current. Don't burn the hand that feeds you, find intelligent ways to make a difference.
People all pilots at the WO should do atleast one of the following to make a difference.
1. Get involved in Union
2. Volunteer to help Union
3. Volunteer at company Charity events and network.
4. Try to get involved or with recruiting and make extra cash
5. Try not to trash your home base, pilot group, or union members fighting for your benefits publicly. Keep your grievence inhouse and solve it inhouse like mature individuals do. Your bitting both hands trying to eat from plate (in other words, your hurting your own future prospectus 1 debbie downer salty post at a time).
Just my opinion. Strong pilot group, strong WO, strong Union.
EVY/PSA/PDT support each other. BE united, be a strong a WO/pilot group GOING FORWARD.
Maybe more will come & you can flow.
Its more than Mgmts job, we all have a role to play to play improving and all our words are impactful to both potential newhires and current. Don't burn the hand that feeds you, find intelligent ways to make a difference.
People all pilots at the WO should do atleast one of the following to make a difference.
1. Get involved in Union
2. Volunteer to help Union
3. Volunteer at company Charity events and network.
4. Try to get involved or with recruiting and make extra cash
5. Try not to trash your home base, pilot group, or union members fighting for your benefits publicly. Keep your grievence inhouse and solve it inhouse like mature individuals do. Your bitting both hands trying to eat from plate (in other words, your hurting your own future prospectus 1 debbie downer salty post at a time).
Just my opinion. Strong pilot group, strong WO, strong Union.
EVY/PSA/PDT support each other. BE united, be a strong a WO/pilot group GOING FORWARD.
I'm getting a kick out of all these new guys who haven't even started class or who are still on probation coming on here and telling it how it is! To all the senior FO's and captains on here whom I once worked with, congrats on the well deserved raises! You have certainly earned it through all the bankruptcy and post bankruptcy concessionary contracts that were forced upon you!
You newbies would do well to listen and learn from those who paved the way before you!
09-14-2016 | 09:46 AM
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Ric Wilson? I didn't know you posted on APC!!
I'm getting a kick out of all these new guys who haven't even started class or who are still on probation coming on here and telling it how it is! To all the senior FO's and captains on here whom I once worked with, congrats on the well deserved raises! You have certainly earned it through all the bankruptcy and post bankruptcy concessionary contracts that were forced upon you!
You newbies would do well to listen and learn from those who paved the way before you!
I'm getting a kick out of all these new guys who haven't even started class or who are still on probation coming on here and telling it how it is! To all the senior FO's and captains on here whom I once worked with, congrats on the well deserved raises! You have certainly earned it through all the bankruptcy and post bankruptcy concessionary contracts that were forced upon you!
You newbies would do well to listen and learn from those who paved the way before you!
ENVOY IS HIRING!!!!!
Let me know if you need some help applying. Need a ride to the training center? I'm happy to help. Oh, by the way:
ENVOY IS HIRING!!!!!
09-14-2016 | 09:48 AM
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Hey bud you found me! How's the internship going? Are they leaving you fully satisfied?
09-14-2016 | 10:06 AM
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Ric Wilson? I didn't know you posted on APC!!
I'm getting a kick out of all these new guys who haven't even started class or who are still on probation coming on here and telling it how it is! To all the senior FO's and captains on here whom I once worked with, congrats on the well deserved raises! You have certainly earned it through all the bankruptcy and post bankruptcy concessionary contracts that were forced upon you!
You newbies would do well to listen and learn from those who paved the way before you!
I'm getting a kick out of all these new guys who haven't even started class or who are still on probation coming on here and telling it how it is! To all the senior FO's and captains on here whom I once worked with, congrats on the well deserved raises! You have certainly earned it through all the bankruptcy and post bankruptcy concessionary contracts that were forced upon you!
You newbies would do well to listen and learn from those who paved the way before you!
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