Originally Posted by Smutter

The last award has yr 6 guys starting on April, and they're the bottom 4, So no it's not 4 it's 6

Originally Posted by Shiner

I was scrolling through a lot of the other AA WO threads and thought I'd throw a question out for debate:

Why is Envoy hiring so many?

In January PDT starts taking 2 or 3 145's per month.

In March/April PSA is rumored to be resuming the CRJ transfers at a rate of 2 or 3 per month.

Envoy has the 14 or so 175 deliveries taking until June and 19 145's returning from ExpressJet. However, if they start hiring 70+ per month, the list will start to grow while the fleet shrinks, even with 50 people leaving per month through attrition.

Are they just stockpiling pilots and will worry about the fleet later? Could more 175's be announced? Will the TSA or Compass birds go to Envoy?

I'm curious to hear what the peanut gallery on APC thinks...


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Originally Posted by criticalaoa

The guys from 2011? they are the bottom 4?

Originally Posted by moon

The most junior awarded upgrade was a 2011 hire starting training in 2017. That's a 6 year upgrade. Maybe closer to 5.5, but not 4. Not yet. I hope we see 4 in 2017 and think there's a good possibility but it's not here yet.

Originally Posted by criticalaoa

The reason why I said 4 is because I have being talking to few captain upgrades that were hired in 2011 and are in class at the moment.

Originally Posted by moon

Soon but not yet 16-11 is 5

Originally Posted by Jvw700

Haha. Envoy hired that guy?!...

Originally Posted by criticalaoa

You so funny. We were told no new hires in 2012 and 2013... Hmmm

Originally Posted by Shiner

Big changes were made at AAG in October and we were told back then that improving the schedules for Envoy was a top priority. We were also told that it couldn't be done immediately and that it would take until at least January to see an improvement.

I've had a look at the preliminary lines for the ORD 145 and things are looking much better.

Average credit looks to be back above 80 hours, from December's average of 72. That's a 10% increase in a month where typically block hours go down.

Average days off also increased from 12.4 in December to 13.1 in January.

All these increases took place in a base where flying was reduced by 29 lines. I'm guessing the improvements in the DFW lines are even better.

I realize these numbers might not blow anyone away, but I think it's more evidence we are seeing a very dramatic shift from how we are valued by AAG. Hopefully this is just the beginning and the awful schedules are a thing if the past.



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