Envoy Info II
12-08-2016, 05:46 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
Dacuj,
The flow numbers for 2017 seem to be off...50% of 750 is 375. I don't know where the 400 flows number is coming from, but to project that many is pretty reckless, especially since it is only 35% of every new hire class for the protected pilots until the 40th 175 is delivered. That will coincide closely with the end of the 824, yes, but still only adds up to 375 if all goes well. With staffing at critical levels in many statuses still, it would shock me if mgmt let any more than the minimum go per month.
I am not saying ENY is a bad place, I am, however, questioning your numbers inflation. Also, as someone has pointed out already, the last class had 28, not 41.
I realize your role here is to represent the good in ENY, but please represent it honestly and correctly.
The flow numbers for 2017 seem to be off...50% of 750 is 375. I don't know where the 400 flows number is coming from, but to project that many is pretty reckless, especially since it is only 35% of every new hire class for the protected pilots until the 40th 175 is delivered. That will coincide closely with the end of the 824, yes, but still only adds up to 375 if all goes well. With staffing at critical levels in many statuses still, it would shock me if mgmt let any more than the minimum go per month.
I am not saying ENY is a bad place, I am, however, questioning your numbers inflation. Also, as someone has pointed out already, the last class had 28, not 41.
I realize your role here is to represent the good in ENY, but please represent it honestly and correctly.
12-08-2016, 05:59 PM
#12
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Awesome stuff, glad things are turning around for Envoy.
For clarity, what does the second year FO pay drop down to?
For clarity, what does the second year FO pay drop down to?
Originally Posted by Dacuj
New hires are now eligible for bonuses that bring total first year compensation to 60k.
If you are looking at Envoy, now is the time. Get in on the front of the wave and reap the benefits of rapid seniority advancement and the AA flow.
If you are looking at Envoy, now is the time. Get in on the front of the wave and reap the benefits of rapid seniority advancement and the AA flow.
12-08-2016, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dacuj
The previous thread was over a year old and gives mobile users a lot of redirects so I thought I would start a new thread with some info about Envoy.
Great things are happening at Envoy. The sky is the limit.
Flow/Upgrade – AA projecting 750 new hires next year. Expect 360 to 400 to flow in 2017 and an additional 360 in 2018 for a total of close to 800 over two years alone. A new hire can expect to flow to AA in just over 5 years.
Upgrade is projected at 2.5 to 3 years and is currently dropping fast. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see upgrades at less than 2 years in the near future.
New hires. Currently hiring like gangbusters. The last class had 41. Hiring projections for 2017 are in the 750 range. New hires are now eligible for bonuses that bring total first year compensation to 60k.
If you are looking at Envoy, now is the time. Get in on the front of the wave and reap the benefits of rapid seniority advancement and the AA flow.
Great things are happening at Envoy. The sky is the limit.
Flow/Upgrade – AA projecting 750 new hires next year. Expect 360 to 400 to flow in 2017 and an additional 360 in 2018 for a total of close to 800 over two years alone. A new hire can expect to flow to AA in just over 5 years.
Upgrade is projected at 2.5 to 3 years and is currently dropping fast. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see upgrades at less than 2 years in the near future.
New hires. Currently hiring like gangbusters. The last class had 41. Hiring projections for 2017 are in the 750 range. New hires are now eligible for bonuses that bring total first year compensation to 60k.
If you are looking at Envoy, now is the time. Get in on the front of the wave and reap the benefits of rapid seniority advancement and the AA flow.
You sound like a recruiter.
If so, I've sent multiple emails, hoping to hear back soon.
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12-08-2016, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JoPilot
You sound like a recruiter.
If so, I've sent multiple emails, hoping to hear back soon.
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If so, I've sent multiple emails, hoping to hear back soon.
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If we flow just the minimum numbers next year, that will be Jan-May 30 per month. And 25 per month the rest of the year. That's 325 for the year. They could do more but nobody in recruitment ever takes into account more than the minimum flow through numbers.
12-08-2016, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Smutter
HAS THE COMPANY FIXED THE SCHEDULES YET? Answer is no.
So yes we are hiring a lot, Qol still sucks here, and were coming up on the yearly promise of, things will be better in January. So far that has failed the last two years, and the last email from the union said he had hope it might get a little better. Talking to the reps the crj schedules don't have many available fixes and will remain rough.
Big changes were made at AAG in October and we were told back then that improving the schedules for Envoy was a top priority. We were also told that it couldn't be done immediately and that it would take until at least January to see an improvement.
I've had a look at the preliminary lines for the ORD 145 and things are looking much better.
Average credit looks to be back above 80 hours, from December's average of 72. That's a 10% increase in a month where typically block hours go down.
Average days off also increased from 12.4 in December to 13.1 in January.
All these increases took place in a base where flying was reduced by 29 lines. I'm guessing the improvements in the DFW lines are even better.
I realize these numbers might not blow anyone away, but I think it's more evidence we are seeing a very dramatic shift from how we are valued by AAG. Hopefully this is just the beginning and the awful schedules are a thing if the past.
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12-08-2016, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Smutter
Upgrades are still over 6yrs, and flow isn't 5.5 yrs. While it may happen, it hasn't happened yet, so don't sell it like it has.
Have you quit acting like a new hire already, and just taken over being cr700 since you're him.
HAS THE COMPANY FIXED THE SCHEDULES YET? Answer is no.
So yes we are hiring a lot, Qol still sucks here, and were coming up on the yearly promise of, things will be better in January. So far that has failed the last two years, and the last email from the union said he had hope it might get a little better. Talking to the reps the crj schedules don't have many available fixes and will remain rough.
While I disagree with how you do sell lies on here, envoy does have some upside, but that upside is in comparison only to, republic, go jet, Mesa.
A newhire here will always remember his first year as the best. After first yr. Take a pay cut till upgrade.
Continue on cr700
Have you quit acting like a new hire already, and just taken over being cr700 since you're him.
HAS THE COMPANY FIXED THE SCHEDULES YET? Answer is no.
So yes we are hiring a lot, Qol still sucks here, and were coming up on the yearly promise of, things will be better in January. So far that has failed the last two years, and the last email from the union said he had hope it might get a little better. Talking to the reps the crj schedules don't have many available fixes and will remain rough.
While I disagree with how you do sell lies on here, envoy does have some upside, but that upside is in comparison only to, republic, go jet, Mesa.
A newhire here will always remember his first year as the best. After first yr. Take a pay cut till upgrade.
Continue on cr700
12-08-2016, 08:15 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by GodIsGood
He/she is not a recruiter. Just getting the info mixed up. The last class had 28 and the next class for Dec has 44 scheduled and still increasing.
If we flow just the minimum numbers next year, that will be Jan-May 30 per month. And 25 per month the rest of the year. That's 325 for the year. They could do more but nobody in recruitment ever takes into account more than the minimum flow through numbers.
If we flow just the minimum numbers next year, that will be Jan-May 30 per month. And 25 per month the rest of the year. That's 325 for the year. They could do more but nobody in recruitment ever takes into account more than the minimum flow through numbers.
12-08-2016, 08:51 PM
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I was scrolling through a lot of the other AA WO threads and thought I'd throw a question out for debate:
Why is Envoy hiring so many?
In January PDT starts taking 2 or 3 145's per month.
In March/April PSA is rumored to be resuming the CRJ transfers at a rate of 2 or 3 per month.
Envoy has the 14 or so 175 deliveries taking until June and 19 145's returning from ExpressJet. However, if they start hiring 70+ per month, the list will start to grow while the fleet shrinks, even with 50 people leaving per month through attrition.
Are they just stockpiling pilots and will worry about the fleet later? Could more 175's be announced? Will the TSA or Compass birds go to Envoy?
I'm curious to hear what the peanut gallery on APC thinks...
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Why is Envoy hiring so many?
In January PDT starts taking 2 or 3 145's per month.
In March/April PSA is rumored to be resuming the CRJ transfers at a rate of 2 or 3 per month.
Envoy has the 14 or so 175 deliveries taking until June and 19 145's returning from ExpressJet. However, if they start hiring 70+ per month, the list will start to grow while the fleet shrinks, even with 50 people leaving per month through attrition.
Are they just stockpiling pilots and will worry about the fleet later? Could more 175's be announced? Will the TSA or Compass birds go to Envoy?
I'm curious to hear what the peanut gallery on APC thinks...
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12-08-2016, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Shiner
I was scrolling through a lot of the other AA WO threads and thought I'd throw a question out for debate:
Why is Envoy hiring so many?
In January PDT starts taking 2 or 3 145's per month.
In March/April PSA is rumored to be resuming the CRJ transfers at a rate of 2 or 3 per month.
Envoy has the 14 or so 175 deliveries taking until June and 19 145's returning from ExpressJet. However, if they start hiring 70+ per month, the list will start to grow while the fleet shrinks, even with 50 people leaving per month through attrition.
Are they just stockpiling pilots and will worry about the fleet later? Could more 175's be announced? Will the TSA or Compass birds go to Envoy?
I'm curious to hear what the peanut gallery on APC thinks...
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Why is Envoy hiring so many?
In January PDT starts taking 2 or 3 145's per month.
In March/April PSA is rumored to be resuming the CRJ transfers at a rate of 2 or 3 per month.
Envoy has the 14 or so 175 deliveries taking until June and 19 145's returning from ExpressJet. However, if they start hiring 70+ per month, the list will start to grow while the fleet shrinks, even with 50 people leaving per month through attrition.
Are they just stockpiling pilots and will worry about the fleet later? Could more 175's be announced? Will the TSA or Compass birds go to Envoy?
I'm curious to hear what the peanut gallery on APC thinks...
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12-08-2016, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by criticalaoa
Upgrade is at 4 years and dropping at the moment.
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