In my class right now a upgrade LGA 145 CA February 2011 hire.

 

Our very own management has stated publicly that they expect 330 to flow in 2017, not 360-400. A smallish difference, sure, but why lie about it?

Upgrade times do look like they will drop considerably. They haven't yet, but the large new hire classes are promising and should drop the upgrade times for somebody hired today. Below 2 years? That depends a lot on the flow. The flow has some contractual decreases over the next few years, and the company can meter to the minimums. Why don't you show your math, instead of making bold claims with no evidence? Oh yeah, because you like to exaggerate, as you've shown.

Look, I actually think there are a lot of positives at envoy, the movement induced by flowthrough agreements and huge retirement numbers at AA, along with our improved first year pay---but nobody should come here without first being made aware of our awful schedules (4 days/2 days off for half of the line holders, frequent junior manning to work your off days), management antagonism, contract violations, and poor quality of life. Are those things necessarily no-go items in light of the flow/movement/first year pay? For some they may be, for others no. There have (finally) been some good things happening here, but it isn't all sunshine and roses. There are legit reasons why we are a ****ed off pilot group.

And there are legit good things about coming here. But when someone comes on here are starts inflating numbers, it should make you pause and wonder why they feel they have to exaggerate. The whole truth must not be good enough.

 

30 per month? That's below the 40 cr700 told us to plan on. You should walk over to his cubicle and get the real info.

 

If there is a single 4 on/2 off line, then the improvements weren't enough.

 

Lga has about 13 lines for its first month. Most are off till about the 6th. 15-17 days off for almost half only one has 12 off, others are mainly 14 or 13 off. Credits very low due to new base though and being off start of month. Definitely a huge improvement on the days off. Majority are 4 days, some 3 days and a couple 2 days.

 

It's not negative drivel when you live it every day. You come on hear and act as if everything you say is 100% fact. Those of us out on the line are miserable, I hate my job! (I'm not saying everyone does) I'm tired of being lied to by the company. My QOL has been getting worse each month while the company tells me things are great, shut up and do your job.

Each month I impatiently await the 14th so I can see how much better the lines are and each month I'm let down. I can hold a line but I bid reserve because the lines are so bad. And I commute! I believe the company could make our QOL better overnight but they choose to rule with an iron fist instead. If I was single and in my twenties I probably wouldn't care, but I have two daughters that I don't get to see very often and it's causing problems.

On the other hand, I'm not blind. I see the HUGE increase in hiring and the bonuses are nice but they aren't permanent pay rates. Upgrade times are going to drop significantly. Flow...who knows, but it's a nice backup.

Since Kirby left, your projections have been pretty spot on. But don't pat yourself on the back too hard, without a better QOL, the other improvements don't mean $h!t.

I'm not a fan of bashing the company, but unless you are out on the line living this nightmare, you have no business bashing those that are living it. For people like ag386 or eaglefly... bash away. They are insecure people with an axe to grind.

I hope you are right about the improvements to the schedules next month. If you are, then the complaining will probably decrease. But until then, expect more complaining.

 

This is one guy and it's because NY is opening, as you can see on the flow list everyone else in his seniority don't go till next yr. As a matter of fact, the 4 guys jr to him were awarded capt. And don't go until April.

 

There are a couple DCEs in training right now, both from my February 2011 class. I start QUG in a few weeks. The training department is in a constant state of flux right now. My training date has literally changed 3 times since the last flow-plan.

 

How did he already go??? Also he's gonna be the very bottom rsv there for some time.

 

I am representing facts. Check the official company position and you'll see that my posts represent exactly that. Who knows better than the company what our future holds? I'm also trying to stay overwhelmingly positive. I'm tired of the hate and vitriol spewed here daily. As you are likely aware, most of the bashing comes from people who don't even work here! I can only conclude they are just jealous of what we have.