Reserve King

Are you referring to trip rig?

pitchattitude

What I was asking is if a lost day is considered off for part 117 purposes or computing days off on a line.

And while most people would consider MSN and YUL better than MHK, there are MUCH worse places to spend a day.

moon

If it's planned yes 30 hour rule can be applied. Not a day off in base so it cant be used to satisfy 11 days off a month for the contract.

Pedro4President

WOW there is a lot to unpack here. This absolutely sucks!! First it is 117 legal. However is it contractual?

The day off doesn't count towards your 11 days off. The company can not schedule you for more than 14hrs of training (including deadhead).

Now you could argue that the schedule would be fatiguing. How many days in a row are you scheduled to be away from home?

Boogerface

30 hour rule CAN be applied on a lost day to satisfy 117, BUT, not to satisfy the contract. The contracts says we must have 1 day off IN BASE out of 7 (I don't have the exact language in front of me...). However, you can pick up flying that would be more than 6 days in a row, as long as one of those 30 hour lost days are in there somewhere. In other words, the company cannot force you to spend more than 6 days out of base, but you can trade/OT yourself into it.

Edit: To answer the original question, no - a lost day does not count towards the minimum 11 days off/month. You are considered to be on duty, and thus earning per diem during a lost day.

Pedro4President

Actually it doesn't say you get a day off over a seven day period IN BASE. You can look for it but it is not there.

Edit: Section 10 A. 4 Comes close and I agree the original intent was to have a day off IN BASE, but it just says you need one duty free day if you have been on duty for six consecutive days.

You are only guaranteed 11 days off IN BASE per month.

highfarfast

First, I have to point out, it didn't matter anyway because the flying I thought would be an issue was removed for IOE anyway. Soooo, even if there would have been a grievance, there wasn't one. But I am curious about it for future reference.

It would have been 117 legal.

I was going to have more than 11 days off anyway so not an issue there.

I had a travel day to begin and a travel day at the end. Training also gave me a 'Training 7 day' at the end so two free days after training. However, I was looking at an HI10 that looked like 5 straight days of training. With the travel day at the beginning, it looked like 6 straight days which would have needed the day prior to the travel day to be clear. That's why I called and asked CS about it. The answer I got was that the 'training day off' in the middle of training made it OK. At the time, I did not know we were moving to another city for sims. After being in training and talking to a several other pilots, some doing sims in Dallas, some not, it seems that I was given the training day off because I was doing the sims in another city... which seems a lot like a travel day to me.

Anyway, however this 'day off' is treated, we need to know for the purpose of biding our schedules. I've talked to several captains that have been here for quite some time and they were unfamiliar. I certainly would have bid slightly differently.

3GreenKSNA

Is there a good explanation anywhere regarding selecting yes or no option for transition on the monthly bids?

I have one day of carryover into December and would like to stay on that trip. If I have a one day over lap or if the trips touch so working 8 days in a row...What does selecting yes or no do? I have asked around and everyone keeps telling me you want to select yes, but they don't have much of an explanation beyond, "that's what I always do."

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Pedro4President

Transition on Line: Essentially it pay protects you when they have to remove a trip because it conflicts. However, they can adjust the last three days of the trip and the first four days of the next trip. Section 10 QnA question 4 explains it. Beyond that answer I am sure someone could give a more nuanced and detailed answer on how you could maximize bidding the transition.

RawHide

If you select no you will fly the reminder of your November schedule any flying they need to remove will be in December and unpaid. (7d or flying on the same day) if you select yes they can choose what day to give you off and which trip you will fly but you will be paid the greater of the overlap and paid for 7d removal.