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06-15-2018 | 09:37 AM
#8791
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IF this is true, and that's a huge if, it's probably because either:
A, The RTP pilots are for the most part no closer to meeting captain qualifications than non RTP hires and are therefore not really a high priority at the moment
B, The helo pilots who aren't under some sort of commitment to the Army and want to join the RTP program have already joined. At this point, or at some point soon, the stream of RTP pilots will slow to a trickle at which point it will no longer be worth the cost and manpower overhead to continuing the program.
It's mostly associated with the end of summer vacation for kids and college students so it's a gradual drop off that starts in late August and finishes by late September. Generally speaking October 1st through the start of Thanksgiving is when we do the least flying.
A, The RTP pilots are for the most part no closer to meeting captain qualifications than non RTP hires and are therefore not really a high priority at the moment
B, The helo pilots who aren't under some sort of commitment to the Army and want to join the RTP program have already joined. At this point, or at some point soon, the stream of RTP pilots will slow to a trickle at which point it will no longer be worth the cost and manpower overhead to continuing the program.
It's mostly associated with the end of summer vacation for kids and college students so it's a gradual drop off that starts in late August and finishes by late September. Generally speaking October 1st through the start of Thanksgiving is when we do the least flying.
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06-15-2018 | 11:00 AM
#8792
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Joined: May 2016
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I am looking at the RTP pipeline and had just a couple of questions regarding the slow down of FO hiring and the timing of new hires right now:
1. Reserve coverage/time at LGA: Does the focus on DECs for training slots and the slow down of FOs result in a longer time on reserve or possible slower movement for new hire FOs since less are coming on than in the past few years?
2. Backlogs in training: Due to my age I will most likely get the 145 in LGA. There is supposedly a pool after completing the time at coast, but once in training is it continuous without significant bubbles between phases? The last post I could find was back in January saying it was pretty efficient and was just looking for the most up to date info.
3. Actually flying as a FO: Some posters are talking about sitting reserve in LGA and not making the 100 hours in 3 months off IOE, is this a typical experience? If willing to use trip trade etc, can this be avoided?
4. Upgrade timing: From what I have heard and read, upgrades are happening right at the 950/1000 mark. Due to the large number of FOs and the new FO development program am I behind the wave where a surge of FOs hired in 2016-17 are about to hit the window and the instant upgrades will begin to slow?
1. Reserve coverage/time at LGA: Does the focus on DECs for training slots and the slow down of FOs result in a longer time on reserve or possible slower movement for new hire FOs since less are coming on than in the past few years?
2. Backlogs in training: Due to my age I will most likely get the 145 in LGA. There is supposedly a pool after completing the time at coast, but once in training is it continuous without significant bubbles between phases? The last post I could find was back in January saying it was pretty efficient and was just looking for the most up to date info.
3. Actually flying as a FO: Some posters are talking about sitting reserve in LGA and not making the 100 hours in 3 months off IOE, is this a typical experience? If willing to use trip trade etc, can this be avoided?
4. Upgrade timing: From what I have heard and read, upgrades are happening right at the 950/1000 mark. Due to the large number of FOs and the new FO development program am I behind the wave where a surge of FOs hired in 2016-17 are about to hit the window and the instant upgrades will begin to slow?
2. No infor for you sorry.
3. Essentially what happened was we hired WAY TOO MANY FOs in the last part of 2017. They are correcting the issue by slowing down hiring and focusing on DEC. Once we start upgrading our pilots at a rate of 30-40 per month then we will be back to normal operations with new hires consolidating.
4. I don't think Envoy will ever get away from the instant upgrades. Once those guys/gals start hitting 950/1000 hours then we will be adding an additional 25 new 175s. So growth plus 35 CA per month attrition is going to be a tall task.
I got no crystal ball here. It can hit the fan at any moment in the next few years. One of the longest bull markets in history will end soonish. The conspiracy side of me says it will end months before the Presidential election in an effort to get rid of Trump. See how easy it is to go from normal to crazy?
06-15-2018 | 07:51 PM
#8793
On Reserve
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 17
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IF this is true, and that's a huge if, it's probably because either:
A, The RTP pilots are for the most part no closer to meeting captain qualifications than non RTP hires and are therefore not really a high priority at the moment
B, The helo pilots who aren't under some sort of commitment to the Army and want to join the RTP program have already joined. At this point, or at some point soon, the stream of RTP pilots will slow to a trickle at which point it will no longer be worth the cost and manpower overhead to continuing the program.
It's mostly associated with the end of summer vacation for kids and college students so it's a gradual drop off that starts in late August and finishes by late September. Generally speaking October 1st through the start of Thanksgiving is when we do the least flying.
A, The RTP pilots are for the most part no closer to meeting captain qualifications than non RTP hires and are therefore not really a high priority at the moment
B, The helo pilots who aren't under some sort of commitment to the Army and want to join the RTP program have already joined. At this point, or at some point soon, the stream of RTP pilots will slow to a trickle at which point it will no longer be worth the cost and manpower overhead to continuing the program.
It's mostly associated with the end of summer vacation for kids and college students so it's a gradual drop off that starts in late August and finishes by late September. Generally speaking October 1st through the start of Thanksgiving is when we do the least flying.
06-15-2018 | 09:00 PM
#8794
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Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 147
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I’m an ex helicopter guy (not RTP). Also I personally don’t care what anyone does either. Just looking at things from a company perspective.
It’s no myth there are guys going on orders that had every intention of doing so after Indoc or after IOE. I personally know of three from my Indoc, and still keep in touch with them. If it works for them then great. But you can’t say it doesn’t exist. Probably the minority.
I have no idea how you find that slanderous. I’m simply offering up a potention reason for the RTP being allegedly dropped if that’s the case. It might simply be the outlay is too expensive and their cadet programs are catching up now.
It’s no myth there are guys going on orders that had every intention of doing so after Indoc or after IOE. I personally know of three from my Indoc, and still keep in touch with them. If it works for them then great. But you can’t say it doesn’t exist. Probably the minority.
I have no idea how you find that slanderous. I’m simply offering up a potention reason for the RTP being allegedly dropped if that’s the case. It might simply be the outlay is too expensive and their cadet programs are catching up now.
06-15-2018 | 09:26 PM
#8795
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,138
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From: Pawn
I guess it all depends on his intentions. If he wants to flow to AA, then he’s going to need to come to the line three years before doing so. Two years to get current, get 1000 hours, and go through upgrade training, and one year to meet his flow lock as a captain.
06-16-2018 | 07:37 AM
#8796
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 501
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From: A320 FO
Envoy is slowly turning into a desk job. Anyone see the new “policy” regarding video/audio?
What’s next? Can’t converse with the suits?
My only guess is someone took a photo of a sleepy pilot in flight? Or a FA wardrobe malfunction?
Only takes one person to ruin it.
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What’s next? Can’t converse with the suits?
My only guess is someone took a photo of a sleepy pilot in flight? Or a FA wardrobe malfunction?
Only takes one person to ruin it.
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06-16-2018 | 08:45 AM
#8797
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Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,547
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From: Resigned
Idk, "don't record people" isn't that bad. Besides that, the best, most rules-focused, cloyingly submissive and obedient employee has probably done 2-3 fireable things by the time he gets off the van for day 1 of indoc. The email might as well read "just a reminder that we can fire you at any time for any reason or no reason, fly safe everybody"
06-16-2018 | 08:57 AM
#8798
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 501
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From: A320 FO
Idk, "don't record people" isn't that bad. Besides that, the best, most rules-focused, cloyingly submissive and obedient employee has probably done 2-3 fireable things by the time he gets off the van for day 1 of indoc. The email might as well read "just a reminder that we can fire you at any time for any reason or no reason, fly safe everybody"
It doesn’t say anything about not recording people. It says no using recording devices anywhere on Envoy turf and includes airplanes. I completely understand leaving employees out of your pictures but come on.
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06-16-2018 | 09:09 AM
#8799
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Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,547
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From: Resigned
I hear you dude, I'm not trying to litigate what they are or aren't prohibiting with this email. I'm just saying it's not that bad in the context of other rules.
Like culture of respect. Remember pilot, intentions don't matter - only the effects of your words and actions do, and you can be fired for them.
Like culture of respect. Remember pilot, intentions don't matter - only the effects of your words and actions do, and you can be fired for them.
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