Union, Hmm 🤔
06-15-2018, 03:14 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
I would hardly call the military a socialist system. It is much easier to get rid of dead weight and is much more a meritocracy.
Probably the closest thing we have is the unionized VA system. In areas with political influence it works great- such as DC area. Other areas, not so hot. Success is not rewarded and bad health care professionals are almost impossible to fire, even if they are a “007” (license to kill). My wife has been trying to get rid of an incompetent OB/GYN who is so bad they don’t permit her to practice any more. She has spent the last two years sitting at home collecting $300k/year. To do nothing. Many examples. One in Kansas was really bad and they tried to fire him, but couldn’t until he threw gas on a nurse and lit her on fire. Then they fired him.
Probably the closest thing we have is the unionized VA system. In areas with political influence it works great- such as DC area. Other areas, not so hot. Success is not rewarded and bad health care professionals are almost impossible to fire, even if they are a “007” (license to kill). My wife has been trying to get rid of an incompetent OB/GYN who is so bad they don’t permit her to practice any more. She has spent the last two years sitting at home collecting $300k/year. To do nothing. Many examples. One in Kansas was really bad and they tried to fire him, but couldn’t until he threw gas on a nurse and lit her on fire. Then they fired him.
of which 1 of the more famous ones is the mnuch...(try googling that name...) who's working somewhere interesting...
best keep your mind on the deadbeats in gubmint.../s
06-15-2018, 03:26 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The military's success compared to the government unions has absolutely nothing to do with one being union and the other not. In fact, if you REALLY want to get into it, ask yourself why the thing you saying is the best in the world is essentially the closest thing in the United States to socialism.
06-15-2018, 08:09 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by popeyes
hey hey there now...there's a few deadbeat execs over @ time warner collecting 500k/yr w/$1M+ parachute clauses kicking in w/the at&t buyout.
of which 1 of the more famous ones is the mnuch...(try googling that name...) who's working somewhere interesting...
best keep your mind on the deadbeats in gubmint.../s
of which 1 of the more famous ones is the mnuch...(try googling that name...) who's working somewhere interesting...
best keep your mind on the deadbeats in gubmint.../s
06-17-2018, 06:33 AM
#25
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Posts: 10,061
Originally Posted by Blackhawk
I would hardly call the military a socialist system. It is much easier to get rid of dead weight and is much more a meritocracy.
Probably the closest thing we have is the unionized VA system. In areas with political influence it works great- such as DC area. Other areas, not so hot. Success is not rewarded and bad health care professionals are almost impossible to fire, even if they are a “007” (license to kill). My wife has been trying to get rid of an incompetent OB/GYN who is so bad they don’t permit her to practice any more. She has spent the last two years sitting at home collecting $300k/year. To do nothing. Many examples. One in Kansas was really bad and they tried to fire him, but couldn’t until he threw gas on a nurse and lit her on fire. Then they fired him.
Probably the closest thing we have is the unionized VA system. In areas with political influence it works great- such as DC area. Other areas, not so hot. Success is not rewarded and bad health care professionals are almost impossible to fire, even if they are a “007” (license to kill). My wife has been trying to get rid of an incompetent OB/GYN who is so bad they don’t permit her to practice any more. She has spent the last two years sitting at home collecting $300k/year. To do nothing. Many examples. One in Kansas was really bad and they tried to fire him, but couldn’t until he threw gas on a nurse and lit her on fire. Then they fired him.
-Free government health Care
-Free or highly subsidised tax free government housing
-Tax-free food allowance
-Free college
-Free job training
-Free job retraining
-Free government paid in-residence graduate and post-graduate education with no income loss
-(Officers) virtually guaranteed non-merit-based promotion and virtually guaranteed retirement regardless of performance
-Government health Care after retirement
-government funded job retraining after separation
-reduced rate government health Care for separated members
06-17-2018, 07:05 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Military socialism:
-Free government health Care
-Free or highly subsidised tax free government housing
-Tax-free food allowance
-Free college
-Free job training
-Free job retraining
-Free government paid in-residence graduate and post-graduate education with no income loss
-(Officers) virtually guaranteed non-merit-based promotion and virtually guaranteed retirement regardless of performance
-Government health Care after retirement
-government funded job retraining after separation
-reduced rate government health Care for separated members
-Free government health Care
-Free or highly subsidised tax free government housing
-Tax-free food allowance
-Free college
-Free job training
-Free job retraining
-Free government paid in-residence graduate and post-graduate education with no income loss
-(Officers) virtually guaranteed non-merit-based promotion and virtually guaranteed retirement regardless of performance
-Government health Care after retirement
-government funded job retraining after separation
-reduced rate government health Care for separated members
06-17-2018, 07:12 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
Earned, especially if said Veteran served in combat. These things are not GIVEN to these men and women. They are payment for the freedoms we all enjoy due to their risk and sacrifice. I’m not a big fan of the military folks scooping up so many of the airline jobs, but the things mentioned above don’t bother me. I’m glad my tax money helps pay for these things.
And I hate to burst the bubble of people who think the military is infallible, there are some people in the military who don't "deserve" it. The fact is, if you can get through basic training, no matter how worthless of a human you are, you are almost virtually guaranteed a retirement.
06-17-2018, 07:40 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Whether they are earned or not, it's still a socialist like system that everyone demonizes.
And I hate to burst the bubble of people who think the military is infallible, there are some people in the military who don't "deserve" it. The fact is, if you can get through basic training, no matter how worthless of a human you are, you are almost virtually guaranteed a retirement.
And I hate to burst the bubble of people who think the military is infallible, there are some people in the military who don't "deserve" it. The fact is, if you can get through basic training, no matter how worthless of a human you are, you are almost virtually guaranteed a retirement.
06-17-2018, 08:11 AM
#29
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Position: Skeptical
Posts: 37
Originally Posted by CBreezy
Whether they are earned or not, it's still a socialist like system that everyone demonizes.
And I hate to burst the bubble of people who think the military is infallible, there are some people in the military who don't "deserve" it. The fact is, if you can get through basic training, no matter how worthless of a human you are, you are almost virtually guaranteed a retirement.
And I hate to burst the bubble of people who think the military is infallible, there are some people in the military who don't "deserve" it. The fact is, if you can get through basic training, no matter how worthless of a human you are, you are almost virtually guaranteed a retirement.
06-17-2018, 09:00 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by GreenerPastures
CBreezy, I assume you're a military retiree since you type with authority on the topic. I am a 22 year veteran drawing retirement pay. I normally never bring up my past employment unless someone asks, but your argument is full of gaping holes in regard to military service. I assure you, your "almost virtually guaranteed a retirement" statement is completely inaccurate. It's 20 years of active service minimum to qualify for any retirement bennies. 19 years, 11 months, 3 weeks of service gets you zero retirement. There is not sliding scale and there is never a guarantee of a retirement. Otherwise everyone would do a 4 year military stint and then leave. There are exceptions for medical retirements. And there are VA disability benefits as well, but they are not retirement benefits. I don't have time to start on your inaccuracies of the education benefits. It's Father's Day, I'm off work today, and my family is taking me out. Happy Father's Day to all the Daddys out there, especially those that are working, military and civilian!
And while most people do not do 20, if it's something you want to do, as long as you don't do something to get you court martialed or DNP, you can ride it out with Uncle Sam. Some of the most worthless officers I knew are going to get their 20.
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