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08-28-2019, 02:00 PM
#1071
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Originally Posted by FlyingMaryJane
Let's wakeup guys!! There will be NO FLOW! There is zero interest in staffing the feed at this time. There are 2 things and only 2 things that matter to United Airlines. PROFIT/MONEY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO SHAREHOLDERS!
Last quarter United had a profit of $1.1Billion with a B! United doesn't care about the QOL of their regional feed, they don't care if their feed has to cancel a MAF, TUL overnights at 21:00 due to no crew. This all has been happening for a long time now and still posted $1.1B in 1 quarter! Customers will continue to swipe those credit cards to fly Ual and as long as they continue to keep doing so and profiting $1.1B a quarter then nothing will change, especially at the regional level. That is just reality. To sit around and say "a flow has to be coming" or "they have to do something to staff this place" is just being naive. Your goal should be to get to a better place, which may be a Legacy, LCC's or wherever is best for you and your family.
Sorry to be a dose of reality, but it needs to be heard!
Last quarter United had a profit of $1.1Billion with a B! United doesn't care about the QOL of their regional feed, they don't care if their feed has to cancel a MAF, TUL overnights at 21:00 due to no crew. This all has been happening for a long time now and still posted $1.1B in 1 quarter! Customers will continue to swipe those credit cards to fly Ual and as long as they continue to keep doing so and profiting $1.1B a quarter then nothing will change, especially at the regional level. That is just reality. To sit around and say "a flow has to be coming" or "they have to do something to staff this place" is just being naive. Your goal should be to get to a better place, which may be a Legacy, LCC's or wherever is best for you and your family.
Sorry to be a dose of reality, but it needs to be heard!
United can only play this game of acquiring feed for so long. Compass/Go-Jets are the last ones to be parted out and assimilated into the screwed up regional feed network known as United Express.
Of course everyone should be looking for a place to call home that isn't a regional carrier in this dog-eat-dog industry. Nobody is saying otherwise. It's up to United if they want to cancel flights and hurt their own bottom line.
Are you saying that nobody should post the realities of this place? You got yours and work for United correct?
08-28-2019, 02:06 PM
#1072
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Originally Posted by SureJetz
AA Flow is just that. It's a FLOW. The negativity over there is that the Flow is more like 8-8.5 yrs instead of the 5.5yrs that American was advertising. That's a fry cry from the ferry tales United is sewing that "thousands" of pilots have been successful with the CPP and that it's a direct path to United.
The Envoy/PSA/Piedmont flow is a defined thing. When you're number comes, you go. It's that simple. It's not a 12% success rate of all employees that were on property at the time the CPP was implemented. The Delta program has/had a 50% or better success rate. I'm no mathematician but 50% > 12%. Plus upgrade at Envoy is as soon as you get 1,000 121 time. Not so much at Expressjet.
I hope United gets things in gear but there's no real sign of that right now. There's a lot of people at this company that would love to hear some good news and would like to be a working partner with United instead of being treated like a third rate contractor with no career progression and stability.
I will agree that the Ultra senior ASA lifers here are a huge drain on the place and it would be extremely sad if they drag us down the tubes. There's a reason why Delta didn't hire many of them...
The Envoy/PSA/Piedmont flow is a defined thing. When you're number comes, you go. It's that simple. It's not a 12% success rate of all employees that were on property at the time the CPP was implemented. The Delta program has/had a 50% or better success rate. I'm no mathematician but 50% > 12%. Plus upgrade at Envoy is as soon as you get 1,000 121 time. Not so much at Expressjet.
I hope United gets things in gear but there's no real sign of that right now. There's a lot of people at this company that would love to hear some good news and would like to be a working partner with United instead of being treated like a third rate contractor with no career progression and stability.
I will agree that the Ultra senior ASA lifers here are a huge drain on the place and it would be extremely sad if they drag us down the tubes. There's a reason why Delta didn't hire many of them...
Correction: 17% success rate of those on property at the time of CPP inception, not 12%. Sorry for the error.
08-28-2019, 02:12 PM
#1073
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Originally Posted by SureJetz
Correction: 17% success rate of those on property at the time of CPP inception, not 12%. Sorry for the error.
Again, another half-truth spread by the Union.
08-28-2019, 02:35 PM
#1074
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
Are your percentages perhaps skewed by the fact that the Delta program is a preferential interview, and you are stating success after the interview? The CPP numbers you have quoted are of total pilots at XJT, some of which are not currently eligible, many of which did not pass the Hogan, and many of which for some other reason did not receive an invitation for an interview. What is the success rate of those who were interviewed in the CPP? Could we please get a real comparison not skewed by your agenda?
Again, another half-truth spread by the Union.
Again, another half-truth spread by the Union.
You're fairly good at projecting your actions onto to others in order to throw people off your skewed agenda.
You do bring up an additional point. At Endeavor you at least get a chance for a face-to-face interview. Many good applicants here have failed the Hogan for whatever reason and didn't even get a chance to interview while some of our interesting characters have passed the Hogan and moved on. That or they had a wife or friend take the Hogan for them.
From what I hear the Hogan will not be a show stopper in the future and/or will be given in a controlled environment. In addition it will only be a part of the weighted interview. We shall see.
Either way, the success rate (where the rubber meets the road) is 17% vs. 50-60+%. If United doesn't want to give the CRJ pilots or EVEN THE NEW HIRES the Hogan, than that's on them. They're certainly telling new hires that they need to have their Airline Apps filled out and ready to receive the Hogan within weeks (Fake News).
How is this skewing anything in anyway? Stop throwing out smokescreens, you're not fooling anyone.
08-28-2019, 02:37 PM
#1075
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Originally Posted by SureJetz
Nope, we are talking success rate of those on property. Endeavor had approximately a 50% success rate of all those on property at the time that Delta purchased them. With the quality of the new hires going up and new blood through the door it has gone up even higher. Endeavor had a bunch of lifers as well with the combining of Colgan, Pinnacle and Mesaba. The success rate is closer to 60%+ now.
You're fairly good at projecting your actions onto to others in order to throw people off your skewed agenda.
You do bring up an additional point. At Endeavor you at least get a chance for a face-to-face interview. Many good applicants here have failed the Hogan for whatever reason and didn't even get a chance to interview while some of our interesting characters have passed the Hogan and moved on. That or they had a wife or friend take the Hogan for them.
From what I hear the Hogan will not be a show stopper in the future and/or will be given in a controlled environment. In addition it will only be a part of the weighted interview. We shall see.
Either way, the success rate (where the rubber meets the road) is 17% vs. 50-60+%. If United doesn't want to give the CRJ pilots or EVEN THE NEW HIRES the Hogan, than that's on them. They're certainly telling new hires that they need to have their Airline Apps filled out and ready to receive the Hogan within weeks (Fake News).
How is this skewing anything in anyway? Stop throwing out smokescreens, you're not fooling anyone.
You're fairly good at projecting your actions onto to others in order to throw people off your skewed agenda.
You do bring up an additional point. At Endeavor you at least get a chance for a face-to-face interview. Many good applicants here have failed the Hogan for whatever reason and didn't even get a chance to interview while some of our interesting characters have passed the Hogan and moved on. That or they had a wife or friend take the Hogan for them.
From what I hear the Hogan will not be a show stopper in the future and/or will be given in a controlled environment. In addition it will only be a part of the weighted interview. We shall see.
Either way, the success rate (where the rubber meets the road) is 17% vs. 50-60+%. If United doesn't want to give the CRJ pilots or EVEN THE NEW HIRES the Hogan, than that's on them. They're certainly telling new hires that they need to have their Airline Apps filled out and ready to receive the Hogan within weeks (Fake News).
How is this skewing anything in anyway? Stop throwing out smokescreens, you're not fooling anyone.
08-28-2019, 03:29 PM
#1077
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Originally Posted by SureJetz
Which ones? You've already been given the documentation for the success rate here.
08-28-2019, 03:49 PM
#1078
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
Endeavor. You said 50-60% of the pilots on site when Endeavor got their program have gone in to Delta. Source.
08-28-2019, 03:52 PM
#1079
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Originally Posted by SureJetz
Pilot friend who worked there. He's since been picked up by Delta through the program. He used to fly for Pinnacle/Mesaba before the merger.
08-28-2019, 04:22 PM
#1080
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
I don’t buy it. I’m pretty sure it’s 50% of those interviewed getting through. I don’t have a source either except for some old threads I remember reading. Their overall success rate is not much different than the CPP.
Just like the upgrade time, you wish to talk about what you "hope" for things to be or "project" them to be.
The reality right now is that it's around 17% success rate. If United wishes to send ASA/CRJ guys the Hogan or any new hires then it could change. As of right now those are the numbers.
Sorry it doesn't align with your agenda but the facts are the facts.
The CPP is not at a 50% success rate. That is a laughable remark. Just like you can see street captains here in the near future....
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