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Old 07-24-2020, 01:29 PM
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Had I been a CPP reject, I would call it "a blessing in the skies". The guys that went to United will be washing dishes at The Olive Garden for years to come, I know of a few buddies of mine, put their apps in at Amazon fulfillment centers and they still have not got the call. The conservative approach would be to take the pay cut in my opinion and get yourself through school for more prestigious and stable career or heck learn and apprentice for a good trade that will make you 10 times more money than slinging gear for some yellow eyed/ teethed, foul smelling breath joker with no social skills, who was never thought how to groom or dress. The second would be to burn the place down and live on unemployment go to school or trade school while enjoying some free time, tasting college life all over again...
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Old 07-24-2020, 01:41 PM
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C5 has less than 20 pilots who have been on property 10 years or longer. How can Expressjet possibly compete considering they have a few hundred people who have been there 20 years plus? Expressjet mechanics and operations people are also paid more.

Are you going to get concessions from all these groups in a matter of days?
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Old 07-24-2020, 01:51 PM
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This mindset will hold you back. The blame United they didn’t hire me argument is tired and lame. No airline hires everyone they interview. They shouldn’t, either. Just because one major turns you down, that doesn’t mean you should give up. If you do, look in the mirror for whom to blame.

That’s like saying I asked a hot chick from work out and she said no. So I’ll just be single forever.
I never said I gave up or that I would. But the conversation is about XJT and UAL, and the comment toward us was that it was the pilots’ faults for creating a senior airline, and we are to blame and deserve to lose our jobs.

And, it just annoyed me at the anti-regional bias. Absolutely NO ONE would criticize a 25-year senior captain at a major for merely being there. But at the regionals, it is a source of ridicule. Okay. Got it.
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Old 07-24-2020, 01:53 PM
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If Xjt takes concessions they'll survive? Is that you Scott?
I wouldn’t ever advocate pay cuts. Especially at the regional level where compensation is already so low. But, these are unprecedented times and you have no leverage. I guess you can always roll the dice and see. But polish up that resume if so because you may end up in the unemployment line.
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Old 07-24-2020, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by J1180 View Post
This mindset will hold you back. The blame United they didn’t hire me argument is tired and lame. No airline hires everyone they interview. They shouldn’t, either. Just because one major turns you down, that doesn’t mean you should give up. If you do, look in the mirror for whom to blame.

That’s like saying I asked a hot chick from work out and she said no. So I’ll just be single forever.
Yes, flow of any sort is not reliable. It can be a nice fallback position but you need to be more aggressive in advancing your career than to wait for flow. Especially flow with caveats.
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Old 07-24-2020, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by J1180 View Post
I wouldn’t ever advocate pay cuts. Especially at the regional level where compensation is already so low. But, these are unprecedented times and you have no leverage. I guess you can always roll the dice and see. But polish up that resume if so because you may end up in the unemployment line.
Lol. I'm not at Xjt. I just find it funny that you somehow know Xjt will survive if they take paycuts. Thanks for the advice but last I heard we're still running about one class a month where I'm at.
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Old 07-24-2020, 02:01 PM
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I wouldn’t ever advocate pay cuts. Especially at the regional level where compensation is already so low. But, these are unprecedented times and you have no leverage. I guess you can always roll the dice and see. But polish up that resume if so because you may end up in the unemployment line.
So will you... so will you...just hope you don't wear your Mexican General uniform in line.
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Old 07-24-2020, 02:01 PM
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Lol. I'm not at Xjt. I just find it funny that you somehow know Xjt will survive if they take paycuts. Thanks for the advice but last I heard we're still running about one class a month where I'm at.
There’s 100+ pages of “will xjt make it” here... people making predictions. But somehow my opinion is one which is silly. Who the hell knows. Congrats on getting out. I’m happy your company is thriving. I’m currently browsing indeed listings
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Old 07-24-2020, 03:29 PM
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XJT won't be able to take a pay cut big enough to offset the extreme longevity of their pilots.

Every captain is maxed out on pay, vacation, you name it.

You can't pay cut your way out of that.
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Old 07-24-2020, 03:45 PM
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XJT won't be able to take a pay cut big enough to offset the extreme longevity of their pilots.

Every captain is maxed out on pay, vacation, you name it.

You can't pay cut your way out of that.
This ^^^^^^ our fate is already sealed. I dont think paycuts save us. And even if they could, should we really consider them? At best it buys us a little time, which is understandable, but what's the long game here? Years and years of stagnation and misery? United either wants us as a partner, or doesn't. And I say this as one of the "lifers". I'm not working for less at this point, plan B is underway, as anyone who has spent way too many years at a regional should already know!

Good luck to all.......
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