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Old 07-24-2020 | 10:50 AM
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Just saw an article saying Xjt will cut 95 mechanics October first from Cleveland. That’s a large amount of people. Maybe fire them to hire them
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Old 07-24-2020 | 10:58 AM
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I dont work at xjet but I believe you guys will survive.
The smaller regionals like AWI, commute air and maybe go-jet? Aren't likely to make it. I believe its because they are small and it requires to much accounting and resources on UA's behalf. XJet easily has the planes and staffing to take over whatever flying those guys currently have.
Plus UA bought all those 145's from trans states and at this point, its either fly them or take a loss. Probably better to just keep them going.
Whatever furlough's the company is prepping for will probably be short lived or not at all.
One things for sure come October 1st the airline industry is gonna be a replay of the movie "300".
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Old 07-24-2020 | 11:28 AM
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Wishing nothing but the best for those at XJT, no one wants to see fellow pilots faced with the horrible choice of concessions to keep a job. I completely understand why some would be willing to take that deal, and I can’t fault you for that, it’s easier to preach when it isn’t directly happening to you. But I do hope for the good of the profession that enough of you are willing to wager personal sacrifice against setting the profession back.

Over time your pilot group has been a leader in moving the “B Scale” portion of the profession forward, as a necessary consequence to see the floor knocked down by one of our professions leaders would be a huge gain to anti-labor forces. Godspeed to all of you who have the courage to stare down the barrel and refuse to set us as a group back.

In solidarity.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
Let’s say xjet decides to beat c5’s costs by 1% (taking dramatic cuts)

does c5 just fold? No, they cut their costs 5%. Xjet sells a kidney and goes c5 minus 10%. C5 goes to minus 20, xjet dies, united happy
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This game/circus has been going on for decades. Just the field-players/tent-clowns have changed.

Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat
UA should want both to survive. If it kills one then the remainder has a monopoly in the market. This is all just a game to drive down prices 'oh you bettee be cheaper than c5.' (Vice versa)......
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Originally Posted by tallpilot
Jeff Bezos is watching this and learning. These same delightful tactics will be coming to the ACMI world sooner or later. The groundwork is already being laid.
It's been going on at the ACMI level for decades as well.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Probably true. UA is not worried about long-term whipsaw on 145's. They can whipsaw them against CRJ's if necessary in the short-term. The winner of the cage match will probably get new airplanes eventually.
And then simply remove/reallocate them. A la the 175 at XJT.

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can’t be hard to negotiate a favorable contract with a company you own 49% of.
True. Also, toss in a new and improved regurgitated CPP and BOOM, problem solved.

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Over time your pilot group has been a leader in moving the “B Scale” portion of the profession forward
Read further back in the thread. 2008, that didn't happen.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodviyr
We tried to move on, but were told by mainline that we weren’t worthy. Don’t blame us.
This mindset will hold you back. The blame United they didn’t hire me argument is tired and lame. No airline hires everyone they interview. They shouldn’t, either. Just because one major turns you down, that doesn’t mean you should give up. If you do, look in the mirror for whom to blame.

That’s like saying I asked a hot chick from work out and she said no. So I’ll just be single forever.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by J1180
This mindset will hold you back. The blame United they didn’t hire me argument is tired and lame. No airline hires everyone they interview. They shouldn’t, either. Just because one major turns you down, that doesn’t mean you should give up. If you do, look in the mirror for whom to blame.

That’s like saying I asked a hot chick from work out and she said no. So I’ll just be single forever.
That is next level naive my friend.
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by J1180
This mindset will hold you back. The blame United they didn’t hire me argument is tired and lame. No airline hires everyone they interview. They shouldn’t, either. Just because one major turns you down, that doesn’t mean you should give up. If you do, look in the mirror for whom to blame.
Well, sort of. The initial CPP pretty much proved that wasn't the case nor was it that simple.

The amount of adequate candidates, to even barely good enough/was simply well prepared and had a good day (ahem, ME) all the way to "how the hell did they get hired?" that came OTS is probably the similar/same to the more than adequate, more than good enough, they SHOULD have been hired that were shot down on the CPP.

And most of those did just what you state, had ZERO problems getting on elsewhere, but had NOTHING to do with looking in the mirror.

Originally Posted by J1180
That’s like saying I asked a hot chick from work out and she said no. So I’ll just be single forever.
And in that analogy, our hiring process for the CPP was JUST LIKE the hot chick. They didn't turn down people because they didn't measure up, they simply turned them down because they could.

I have a feeling that many of those that didn't get it and ended up at various other places aren't regretting not getting it one bit right now.

Anyway, 'nuff of that.

Will XJT survive this?
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr

Anyway, 'nuff of that.

Will XJT survive this?
If xjt takes concessions, they’ll survive. If not, look for them to be offered rehire at c5 as a newhire.

Who’s to say UA can’t just give c5 the sims, training center, mx hangers, parts, etc. They Ultimately call the shots at both regionals, right?
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Old 07-24-2020 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by J1180
If xjt takes concessions, they’ll survive. If not, look for them to be offered rehire at c5 as a newhire.

Who’s to say UA can’t just give c5 the sims, training center, mx hangers, parts, etc. They Ultimately call the shots at both regionals, right?
If Xjt takes concessions they'll survive? Is that you Scott?
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Old 07-24-2020 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by J1180
If xjt takes concessions, they’ll survive. If not, look for them to be offered rehire at c5 as a newhire.

Who’s to say UA can’t just give c5 the sims, training center, mx hangers, parts, etc. They Ultimately call the shots at both regionals, right?
What a TOTD!
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