Mesa owns 30 of the 60 that we have, and the 20 we have purchased. That are still coming in September instead of May. We also own our 700's. We (recruitment team) just received email to resume interviews. I don't know how or why we are resuming interviews especially since we are about to hit the worst upcoming weeks with convid-19, clearly they (upper management) got thumbs up from the top, meaning United we will be around for a min. When this blows over. I know no one knows, what will happen. I do know all of our CEOs are talking and discussing and strategizing for the future. The decisions and actions that happen October 1, 2020. Are being made RIGHT NOW. Hopefully your hiring teams are looking to start interviewing and hiring soon to.

 

It’s a pipe dream. It’s mostly legacy CoEx guys who talk staple. It will never happen.


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CLE is also going to have 150+ lines again lol

 

EWR will open back up


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The reason legacy CoEx guys can talk about a staple is because it could have happened. Gordon Bethune was approached with the idea, and he said he was willing to do it if CAL pilots were willing to negotiate for it. I was told by a CAL union rep that after years of crappy contracts CAL pilots weren’t going to give up their negotiation gains to put us on their list. I personally felt that was short sighted. Now the UAL MEC wants to fly the 175s. I was told they paid for a study as to whether they could do it for cheaper than the regionals even with higher rates and benefits.

The reason there was a possibility of one list at CoEx was Continental, Continental Micronesia, and CoEx were all under the same ownership, but separate divisions. CAL and CAL Micronesia had a common seniority list in spite of being separate divisions. CoEx could have had a common seniority list as well, which would have aligned it similar to CAL Micronesia. What was different then vs now is then after 5 years at CoEx you had the chance to flow to CAL. There weren’t many people who had more than 5 years of seniority at CoEx unless they were deferred to staff 145 CA.

Many people think having regionals bid against each other saves money, but when those regionals can’t staff and planes have to be moved around I bet those savings dry up fast. Once the majors furlough for this downturn it will only drive more people away from learning to fly. When things turn around attracting pilots to work for crappy regionals will be even more difficult than it was just months ago. This downturn will be a game changer and all legacy airlines will have to consider the long term effects of their decisions just as much as they look at the short term gains.

 

Not saying it’s a bad idea but won’t UAL have a bunch of people on furlough unless the recovery happens faster than expected?

I think a lot of people will be afraid to fly for a while.

 

How would it help avoid a furlough? I don’t follow.

 

I was responding to the question of “wouldn’t UAL guys be furloughed?”

In the scenario I describe, they most likely wouldn’t be. The bottom portion of the ones who are stapled would be.
(itsajob stated it better than I did. Basically the same outcome is most likely coming....so improving the product as well as defining a clear path to one list seems better than nothing)

 

False. I’m one of many mainline pilots who would love to see the scenario above happen. It takes care of the scope issues, and unlocks the full potential to fly anything we want. As one unified mainline pilot group.

The word coming out of our negotiations prior to all of this crap was mainline scope protections on the top and bottom end of United flying. Consolidating express feed and stapling is a win all the way around, and would be a great answer to future recruitment efforts as well.

 

I would challenge “intellectuality”...period.