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Old 04-10-2020 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Ciceda
lol @ anybody conducting interviews. No Regional is going to hire a single pilot until sometime next year at the earliest.
You don't know that. It's ok to have an opinion, but don't try to pretend like you know what's ultimately going to happen. You don't know anymore than I or 99% of the people on this forum do.
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Old 04-10-2020 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve
*the 20 Mesa is going to purchase*

Mesa hasn’t purchased those 20 175s yet. They are still a UAL order at Embraer and under UAL control. Mesa doesn’t take ownership or have to supply financing for the planes until delivery. Given the current global economic conditions that will be delayed a few months. Even Mesa’s management isn’t crooked enough to take on debt in a cash strapped environment.


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You have no idea how purchasing a aircraft works... The Mesa 175 order is in to deep to just pull and say sorry.. they will take those aircraft...
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Old 04-10-2020 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve
I don’t doubt that Mesa is getting them. Your CEO decided to leverage the company with debt to get them. And in United’s eye it was the best financial decision to award them to Mesa under the circumstances.

I’m just correcting your misrepresentation of the fact. You haven’t bought them. Your employer hasn’t either. They are on someone else’s order. Your employer will not be taking delivery of them starting in May, doing so would be economically stupid.

Also the 550 project has been put on hold so the 700’s that Mesa was going to take out of service to be converted into the 550’s won’t be leaving the line for a while. Which also means there isn’t much room left under the scope.

It takes cash to pay for Shiny New Jets. With UAL’s traffic down 60+%. Mesa isn’t getting the flights it needs for revenue to pay the current bills, and with the 700’s not going out on lease Mesa definitely doesn’t have the cash to pay for the new 175s.

And I don’t doubt Mesa is conducting interviews, XJT is too.

And stop say “We” like you have a part in the process. You don’t those decisions are made way above your pay grade.


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Believe it or not - it is cash flow positive to take new jet deliveries. There is usually a 25-30% predelivery deposit (cash). Once you take delivery you actually finance nearly 100% of the aircraft - with the help of the Brazilian government. So you in effect get the aircraft and 30% in cash.

UA took delivery of four 787 and flew them straight to the desert to park them. But they raised cash.
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Old 04-10-2020 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
You have no idea how purchasing a aircraft works... The Mesa 175 order is in to deep to just pull and say sorry.. they will take those aircraft...

You mean the United Order, and I’m not saying they won’t take the aircraft, I’m saying it will be delayed.

If it can’t happen then why is it happening...
https://www.flightglobal.com/airfram...137552.article


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Old 04-10-2020 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ciceda
lol @ anybody conducting interviews. No Regional is going to hire a single pilot until sometime next year at the earliest.
Maybe not at your dying airline.
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Old 04-10-2020 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hawk21
Maybe not at your dying airline.
That's cute that you think your airline is immune to this. Let me guess, largest ever new hire classes of 500 people starting in June amirite? I think the reality of this will hit you harder then most. Brace yourself Squirt!
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Old 04-10-2020 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ciceda
That's cute that you think your airline is immune to this. Let me guess, largest ever new hire classes of 500 people starting in June amirite? I think the reality of this will hit you harder then most. Brace yourself Squirt!

Are you even at airline? 23 posts on here since October and they are all troll posts.


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Old 04-10-2020 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Can possibly expect see the 550s around as UAX 50 seat flying, Kirby to go after FA union scope in addition to pilot scope limits and XJT and C5 flying 175s in the long run, potentially as UAL Wholly Owned subsidiaries.
550 parts have gone way up in price since They come out of japan now? Correct me if I got that wrong.
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Old 04-10-2020 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve
Are you even at airline? 23 posts on here since October and they are all troll posts.


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Old 04-10-2020 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Mainline pilots would spit out their coffee if they knew what regional FOs make. No way they fly at those rates.
They couldn't fly them anyway. We learned how poorly they fly when they flowed back after 911.

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