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Old 10-09-2015 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85
"...Delta and United want to extend our aircraft that are currently on contract."

From the company. Take it for what it's worth.
They are going to keep extending the contracts on the crappy old planes we have as long as we can staff them and until the flying is replaced by more 70 seaters flow by other regionals.

Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
Yeah, BS on that 20/mo upgrade as a way mgmt was trying to keep FO' here. If you go back and check the last 5 perm bids we've had since April we've had 42 upgrades in the last 6 months. That's an average of 7. Or, 1/3 of what our big Whigs told us it would be. Big reason why it's time for me to bolt to a Captain Qualified First Officer position.
It's all empty promises... The sooner people realize it, the better.
Old 10-09-2015 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wmupilot85
"...Delta and United want to extend our aircraft that are currently on contract."

From the company. Take it for what it's worth.
At rates that we won't make money at...
Old 10-09-2015 | 06:29 PM
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oh H3ll no. This company is going to go under when no one wants to come work here and everyone leaves. My money is still on end of 2016....XJT will be 2/3 its size now, if not less....
Good freaking grief!!!!! Make it sound like this place is worse than republic!!

Have to agree, we were the top performing regional in August for ontime. Fourth best in the nation total. Something has to give. Some reward has to come from our good performance or people are going to get the heck out of Dodge.
Old 10-09-2015 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dfwflyboy
oh H3ll no. This company is going to go under when no one wants to come work here and everyone leaves. My money is still on end of 2016....XJT will be 2/3 its size now, if not less....
I'm confused...2 years ago, you chest thumpers said we were to big to fail and there is no way they could replace us...Now you guys seem to be saying we are being replaced... Which is it?
Old 10-10-2015 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dfwflyboy
yes, this is a slap in the face. Performance doesn't mean anything anymore.
Yes and no. If you're CEO, performance can probably land you a better gig somewhere else after about 11 months or so. As a line pilot, I'd have to agree, performance numbers don't amount to a hill of beans. That will be evidenced in the soon-to-be released TA.
Old 10-10-2015 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
Yeah, BS on that 20/mo upgrade as a way mgmt was trying to keep FO' here. If you go back and check the last 5 perm bids we've had since April we've had 42 upgrades in the last 6 months. That's an average of 7. Or, 1/3 of what our big Whigs told us it would be. Big reason why it's time for me to bolt to a Captain Qualified First Officer position.
I'm guessing you voted No on TA. I respect the vote but if you did vote No and now leave to PSA or some other carrier with an inferior contract, you're part of the problem. You on contribute to the further downward pressure on the industry as whole. That, I can not respect.
Old 10-10-2015 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Redundant Guy
I'm guessing you voted No on TA. I respect the vote but if you did vote No and now leave to PSA or some other carrier with an inferior contract, you're part of the problem. You on contribute to the further downward pressure on the industry as whole. That, I can not respect.
So if I voted 'no' on the TA I can't leave XJT for another regional even though it's a significant upgrade in pay and time logged. If I voted 'yes' on the TA then I'm allowed to leave XJT. I don't understand that logic.
Old 10-10-2015 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Redundant Guy
I'm guessing you voted No on TA. I respect the vote but if you did vote No and now leave to PSA or some other carrier with an inferior contract, you're part of the problem. You on contribute to the further downward pressure on the industry as whole. That, I can not respect.
Couldn't agree more....
Old 10-10-2015 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
So if I voted 'no' on the TA I can't leave XJT for another regional even though it's a significant upgrade in pay and time logged. If I voted 'yes' on the TA then I'm allowed to leave XJT. I don't understand that logic.
What's so hard to understand. You are declaring you won't accept such a contract, that is does not satisfy your needs or wishes..............then you go off to another company and accept possibly an even WORSE contract there? That makes no sense. Either you will work for certain terms, or you won't.
Old 10-10-2015 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Truman_Sparks
What's so hard to understand. You are declaring you won't accept such a contract, that is does not satisfy your needs or wishes..............then you go off to another company and accept possibly an even WORSE contract there? That makes no sense. Either you will work for certain terms, or you won't.
Maybe you're assuming what my needs and wishes are. I need more money and a 25-60% increase in pay meets that need. I wish for better experience as a Captain and the ability to log TPIC and that program meets that wish.

I can't think of another industry that such a significant increase in pay would be looked at by anyone as a bad thing. It's a good thing when people leave. It's telling management 'hey if you don't give us a better TA we're not going to be able to recruit people. We NEED more money and opportunity'. From a negotiations standpoint I think it's a good thing.
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