What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
03-16-2014 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy94
Why would you advocate for new hire pilots to go somewhere with one of the worst contracts? (yes I've read it). In order for supply and demand to work and the working conditions at the regionals to improve, new hires MUST choose a regional based on QOL and pay.
Chasing an upgrade at a 3rd tier regional will only prove to management that we care nothing about working conditions and only upgrade time.
I hope for the industry's sake, PSA will be unable to fill classes and be forced to improve their contract.
I'm a new 121 pilot who chose xjt not based on upgrade time, new planes, or signing bonus. All I wanted was industry leading QOL. LXJTs contract gave me that.
And now you are an FO for the better part of the next decade.
My QoL at PSA is fantastic....that's right, fantastic. I am only a mid level FO. I choose my own schedule and I credit 90+ hours a month with 16+ days off. If I wanted to I could do 18-19 days off right around guarantee or 11 days off with 130+ hours credit.
My QoL starts and ends with time off, and then money, in that order. Scheduling is not able to touch my awarded days off.....EVER.
Just about a year ago PSA was applauded throughout the regionals for finally getting a pretty good contract after 5+ years of negotiating.
Now we have "one of the worst contracts out there"????? Our recent TA changed TWO ITEMS in our contract: Pay caps, and a bump in insurance costs. That's all. The insurance increase will cost me 32 dollars a year.
I guarantee I will make more at our(PSA's) 4 year FO cap of 41/hr than you will at your 8 year cap of 44 or 47. O, and I'll have more days off and every holiday/family event/birthday party/night of drinking with friends off than you. Which holidays did you work in 2013? Because I worked none of them.
Did you forget to read the scheduling section of our contract?
Tell me again what makes PSA a "3rd tier regional".
None of this is an excuse to vote in concessions as we would have had all that good stuff without receiving the 12/4 caps but you people are always telling us how "You read our contract it's terrible" when in reality you don't know what you are talking about and hate on PSA because everyone tells you to hate PSA, or GoJet, or whoever.
Originally Posted by flyguy94
Why would you advocate for new hire pilots to go somewhere with one of the worst contracts? (yes I've read it). In order for supply and demand to work and the working conditions at the regionals to improve, new hires MUST choose a regional based on QOL and pay.
Chasing an upgrade at a 3rd tier regional will only prove to management that we care nothing about working conditions and only upgrade time.
I hope for the industry's sake, PSA will be unable to fill classes and be forced to improve their contract.
I'm a new 121 pilot who chose xjt not based on upgrade time, new planes, or signing bonus. All I wanted was industry leading QOL. LXJTs contract gave me that.
And now you are an FO for the better part of the next decade.
My QoL at PSA is fantastic....that's right, fantastic. I am only a mid level FO. I choose my own schedule and I credit 90+ hours a month with 16+ days off. If I wanted to I could do 18-19 days off right around guarantee or 11 days off with 130+ hours credit.
My QoL starts and ends with time off, and then money, in that order. Scheduling is not able to touch my awarded days off.....EVER.
Just about a year ago PSA was applauded throughout the regionals for finally getting a pretty good contract after 5+ years of negotiating.
Now we have "one of the worst contracts out there"????? Our recent TA changed TWO ITEMS in our contract: Pay caps, and a bump in insurance costs. That's all. The insurance increase will cost me 32 dollars a year.
I guarantee I will make more at our(PSA's) 4 year FO cap of 41/hr than you will at your 8 year cap of 44 or 47. O, and I'll have more days off and every holiday/family event/birthday party/night of drinking with friends off than you. Which holidays did you work in 2013? Because I worked none of them.
Did you forget to read the scheduling section of our contract?
Tell me again what makes PSA a "3rd tier regional".
None of this is an excuse to vote in concessions as we would have had all that good stuff without receiving the 12/4 caps but you people are always telling us how "You read our contract it's terrible" when in reality you don't know what you are talking about and hate on PSA because everyone tells you to hate PSA, or GoJet, or whoever.
Carry on
03-17-2014 | 12:38 AM
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03-17-2014 | 12:39 AM
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03-17-2014 | 03:29 AM
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You had me curious so I looked, March seniority list I have 389 below me. Haha getting close. Maybe the April list pushed it over 400 but I deleted that email and it isn't published in documents yet.
03-17-2014 | 04:37 AM
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"My crappy regional is better than your crappy regional nyah nyah"!
Take that BS to a new thread. This thread is for ASA/ExpressJet discussion.
Take that BS to a new thread. This thread is for ASA/ExpressJet discussion.
03-17-2014 | 07:06 AM
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From: CRJ
Something useful
A real snap shot of upgrade time (CRJ side). As of April seniority list and latest attrition data published for this year, not including March.
-Me= 6 year FO Seniority (CRJ side) #1432
-Most junior capt #1035
-A difference of 397
-With 24 FOs leaving and 15 CAs leaving so far this year = 39
-Considering I am half up the FO list, I assume that half of the FOs leaving are junior to me. So 27 pilots left that are senior to me. That's is 14 pilots a month leaving rounded up.
-Also considering there are 72 FOs SENIOR to the most JUNIOR CAs currently, I will assume they will stay there, as this is a snap shot of today's data. That puts me at 325 from upgrade
-325/14=23 months to upgrade. That's an 8 year upgrade!
This does not assume shrinkage (LOL) nor the rate of attrition increasing. Both of those are likely, but IMO, will cancel each other out. If a pilot was hired today, he is looking at aprox 4 year upgrade. The most junior guy me is #1767, a difference of 335. 335/14=24 months after I upgrade which puts him at 4 years.
-Me= 6 year FO Seniority (CRJ side) #1432
-Most junior capt #1035
-A difference of 397
-With 24 FOs leaving and 15 CAs leaving so far this year = 39
-Considering I am half up the FO list, I assume that half of the FOs leaving are junior to me. So 27 pilots left that are senior to me. That's is 14 pilots a month leaving rounded up.
-Also considering there are 72 FOs SENIOR to the most JUNIOR CAs currently, I will assume they will stay there, as this is a snap shot of today's data. That puts me at 325 from upgrade
-325/14=23 months to upgrade. That's an 8 year upgrade!
This does not assume shrinkage (LOL) nor the rate of attrition increasing. Both of those are likely, but IMO, will cancel each other out. If a pilot was hired today, he is looking at aprox 4 year upgrade. The most junior guy me is #1767, a difference of 335. 335/14=24 months after I upgrade which puts him at 4 years.
03-17-2014 | 08:15 AM
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What's the latest with XJT's CLE base? Has anything OFFICIAL been communicated to the XJT pilot group by management?
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