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03-16-2014 | 05:42 AM
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It was never about waving. You took the least important and easiest part of my post to fire back at me.
It was about making a career decision. Someone entering this industry right now would be foolish not to try Mesa, PSA, or Compass. Why on god's green earth should someone brand new to 121 go to XJT, or Skywest and have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE at upgrading for probably 8 years, if ever, considering your mostly 50 seat fleet.
So YOU will respect him? Gimme me a break. Feeding his kids while living comfortably and actually contributing to his retirement is more important.
I voted no to PSA's TA. Not so other pilots would respect me, I don't care what you think about me. I voted no because it was WRONG for the new AAG to beat down an already battered section of the industry all while making record profits with over 10B in cash on hand.
Your respect means nothing to me. It once did, even as our vote was taking place. Now however, after seeing all the hate, and derisiveness that has been spewed by all of you your respect is irrelevant.
It was about making a career decision. Someone entering this industry right now would be foolish not to try Mesa, PSA, or Compass. Why on god's green earth should someone brand new to 121 go to XJT, or Skywest and have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE at upgrading for probably 8 years, if ever, considering your mostly 50 seat fleet.
So YOU will respect him? Gimme me a break. Feeding his kids while living comfortably and actually contributing to his retirement is more important.
I voted no to PSA's TA. Not so other pilots would respect me, I don't care what you think about me. I voted no because it was WRONG for the new AAG to beat down an already battered section of the industry all while making record profits with over 10B in cash on hand.
Your respect means nothing to me. It once did, even as our vote was taking place. Now however, after seeing all the hate, and derisiveness that has been spewed by all of you your respect is irrelevant.
Chasing an upgrade at a 3rd tier regional will only prove to management that we care nothing about working conditions and only upgrade time.
I hope for the industry's sake, PSA will be unable to fill classes and be forced to improve their contract.
I'm a new 121 pilot who chose xjt not based on upgrade time, new planes, or signing bonus. All I wanted was industry leading QOL. LXJTs contract gave me that.
By joining XJT you guaranteed yourself industry leading stagnation on FO pay. Your colleagues at Compass, PSA, and Mesa will be quickly advancing up the FO list, having better control of their schedule, and then will upgrade years earlier.
03-16-2014 | 06:42 AM
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XJT was a fantastic place for me to be when Age 65 dropped the hammer on movement in the industry. But in this current environment I wouldn't recommend XJT to any new 121 pilot.
By joining XJT you guaranteed yourself industry leading stagnation on FO pay. Your colleagues at Compass, PSA, and Mesa will be quickly advancing up the FO list, having better control of their schedule, and then will upgrade years earlier.
By joining XJT you guaranteed yourself industry leading stagnation on FO pay. Your colleagues at Compass, PSA, and Mesa will be quickly advancing up the FO list, having better control of their schedule, and then will upgrade years earlier.
03-16-2014 | 06:46 AM
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People in his class were on reserve for almost 4 years.
03-16-2014 | 06:51 AM
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He is talking about stagnation on the CRJ side. I don't even think I have 400 people below me and I have been here almost six years.
03-16-2014 | 06:55 AM
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People in my class held a line within 2 months of IOE. I have nearly 400 pilots below me on the seniority list after 8 months. Stagnation? Sure. It's sad you have to jump around all of these threads defending PSA and their actions. We have great attrition to the majors. Better than any other regional with "flow through" or "preferential interviews". I'm glad I'm here and am going to go ahead and enjoy my 19 days off this month.
You never answered my question....I went ahead and quoted it here for reference so you won't have to scroll back.....
Lastly...How do you know you have "better attrition than any regional with flows or prefs?" Do you have numbers to back your claim?
03-16-2014 | 07:01 AM
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People in my class held a line within 2 months of IOE. I have nearly 400 pilots below me on the seniority list after 8 months. Stagnation? Sure. It's sad you have to jump around all of these threads defending PSA and their actions. We have great attrition to the majors. Better than any other regional with "flow through" or "preferential interviews". I'm glad I'm here and am going to go ahead and enjoy my 19 days off this month.
O and I forgot the same numbers will leave next year to Delta also.
03-16-2014 | 07:24 AM
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Your beloved 9E has higher attrition percentage wise than Compass. It might be for different reasons than Compass but this year 9E will be close to 1/3 of the list turning over. You asked the question, I know you won't like the answer.
03-16-2014 | 07:37 AM
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The problem was I didn't ask, I asked where he was specifically. So 600-800 captains are leaving 9E this year? The numbers I am referring to are people leaving that create upgrade possibilities, not people at the bottom giving up hope. CP is upgrading 20 a month until atleast July and has been since November, what has 9E done? Also notice how I said JUST Delta? People are also leaving for UAL, JB etc. If that's true thats fine but provide proof.
03-16-2014 | 07:59 AM
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PSA is losing about 8 per month, so 16 every 2 months. We have 500 pilots.
Should I do the math for you?
146 pilots at XJT is 3.2% of your pilot group.
16 pilots at PSA is......You guessed it. 3.2%.
This is irrelevant to what I was talking about though.
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