What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
03-14-2014 | 08:08 AM
#5311
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Don't you work for PSA? If so, I see your concern when I mentioned PSA. The best informed decision is not only based on upgrade. You should also weigh the contract, base, etc. So yeah, c'mon man.
03-14-2014 | 08:43 AM
#5312
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It doesn't concern me in the least. Our classes have been full.
The topic was movement and upgrades. Not contract. I have also made it fully known that I don't believe our contract is all that bad minus the pay caps(which a new hire will most likely never see.
The topic was movement and upgrades. Not contract. I have also made it fully known that I don't believe our contract is all that bad minus the pay caps(which a new hire will most likely never see.
03-14-2014 | 08:59 AM
#5313
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
I guess PSA is mainly full of youngins and arrogant old farts, but this industry (both mainline and regional) has a long, proud history of sh!tting the bed every few years and leaving the pilots high and dry, pointing fingers at each other while stockholders and managers laugh all the way to the bank. I think the only ones at PSA who think you got a good deal is management. But don't worry, they'll give you another chance to undercut yourselves just as soon as it's convenient.Ever heard that song "House of the Rising Sun?"
House of the Rising Sun - Animals
03-14-2014 | 09:04 AM
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I never said we got a "good deal".
The main purpose of my original reply was that using all available resources that currently those 3 previously mentioned airlines were good choices right now.
Could the industry change? Yes. Could I slip and fall and break my neck? Yes, but that isn't going to stop me from going down the milk aisle.
The main purpose of my original reply was that using all available resources that currently those 3 previously mentioned airlines were good choices right now.
Could the industry change? Yes. Could I slip and fall and break my neck? Yes, but that isn't going to stop me from going down the milk aisle.
03-14-2014 | 09:45 AM
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Nah, those q400s you saw in yyz are going to ExpressJet. Why would inc. Look to get XJT the 175??? Didnt you listen to the board members q4 conference call?
03-14-2014 | 10:47 AM
#5316
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I gotta disagree. When I got hired in 2006, upgrade was less than 2 years. It took 6. I guess you could be one of those guys who goes to a new regional every 2 years when your promised upgrade doesn't materialize. And start over at first year pay several times. And lose longevity, 401k contributions, etc. That ends up costing more than a lot of people realize. Moral of the story: whoever has the short upgrade today may not tomorrow and vice versa.
Many FOs at the mega regionals, especially junior ones, will notice next year when their colleagues hired at smaller regionals years after them are heading to respectable pay and a resume boost that comes from the left seat.
03-14-2014 | 10:55 AM
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I am sure you are right, but somebody is flying the MRJ.
MRJ - Mitsubishi Regional Jet
Also, I keep hearing everyone say go chase the upgrade, but if that was really the most successful route how come everyone who was ever on the Great lakes, Silver airways, Seaborne, Colgan payroll isn’t dominating the mainline new hire classes. I feel like these options only apply to current mainline employees children, and everyone else is a sucker for following them. Am I really to believe if PSA hired me today I would be a captain in 16 months , get 1000 Tpic within the following 12 and be at a mainline hew hire class in just over 2 years from now? That sounds like absolutely ridiculous advice. Pilots have been preaching that tune since 9/11 and it has really hasn’t ever worked for anyone other than the children of the industry.
MRJ - Mitsubishi Regional Jet
Also, I keep hearing everyone say go chase the upgrade, but if that was really the most successful route how come everyone who was ever on the Great lakes, Silver airways, Seaborne, Colgan payroll isn’t dominating the mainline new hire classes. I feel like these options only apply to current mainline employees children, and everyone else is a sucker for following them. Am I really to believe if PSA hired me today I would be a captain in 16 months , get 1000 Tpic within the following 12 and be at a mainline hew hire class in just over 2 years from now? That sounds like absolutely ridiculous advice. Pilots have been preaching that tune since 9/11 and it has really hasn’t ever worked for anyone other than the children of the industry.
03-14-2014 | 04:16 PM
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This is true. I'm honestly truly sorry about that. You'll see one day.
03-14-2014 | 04:19 PM
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Didn't see this addressed for the ERJ side, but life on reserve is a joke. One long, infuriating, stupid, not terribly funny joke and "F&#@ your life is the punch line!"
-Rolled days off are pretty standard, at least one per month. You start with 11 or 12 days off (depends on the month) so loosing one or two of those really sucks. Per the contract, the company is supposed to restore them but they haven't been. Group grievance filed, still waiting for my days off back.
-You will see this company waste ridiculous amounts of money through their own inefficiency and sheer incompetence. And when you try to point out an error or a better solution, all you will get is blow back and "Atlantitude". Then they push an insulting TA across the table and tell you that YOU are the problem. YGTBSM.
-Your knowledge of the contract, your contractual rights and the FARs will be continually tested. It seems the company now looks at contractual limits and FARs as goals rather than absolute limits. In addition, as of late it seems they view their contractual obligations and your contractual rights as "grey areas" to be complied with when convenient.
-Yes. You will fly. They will fly the pants off you. Till you drop. And then wonder why fatigue calls are way up (I'd be happy to sit down and clue you in after I finish my 5-day reserve cluster of a trip...oh wait, my day just got rolled!) So if you want to fly as much as possible, have no fear! You will fly till you puke. Then be expected to get the plane back to the hub. (Disclaimer: This has been the norm for about the last 4 months, which I know have been rough for everyone due to this historic stint of bad weather.)
-Some months you will get a 4-day every block of reserve days, some months it will be a turn or a quick overnight but it seems no matter what, you will fly most days on-call. We have an aggressive pick-up system which is nice for those that want to fly.
-Reserve bidding is by PBS. It seems OK...so far, jury is still out though. I am fairly senior as far as reserves go and pretty regularly am able to hold the days off and call-out period that I want. Your mileage may very as a junior reserve, but the good news is that on the FO side, reserve seems to be less than a year.
Hope this provides some insight. Maybe staffing is tighter on the ERJ side than the CRJ but this seems to be par for the course since the merger. As I said, your mileage may vary.
-Rolled days off are pretty standard, at least one per month. You start with 11 or 12 days off (depends on the month) so loosing one or two of those really sucks. Per the contract, the company is supposed to restore them but they haven't been. Group grievance filed, still waiting for my days off back.
-You will see this company waste ridiculous amounts of money through their own inefficiency and sheer incompetence. And when you try to point out an error or a better solution, all you will get is blow back and "Atlantitude". Then they push an insulting TA across the table and tell you that YOU are the problem. YGTBSM.
-Your knowledge of the contract, your contractual rights and the FARs will be continually tested. It seems the company now looks at contractual limits and FARs as goals rather than absolute limits. In addition, as of late it seems they view their contractual obligations and your contractual rights as "grey areas" to be complied with when convenient.
-Yes. You will fly. They will fly the pants off you. Till you drop. And then wonder why fatigue calls are way up (I'd be happy to sit down and clue you in after I finish my 5-day reserve cluster of a trip...oh wait, my day just got rolled!) So if you want to fly as much as possible, have no fear! You will fly till you puke. Then be expected to get the plane back to the hub. (Disclaimer: This has been the norm for about the last 4 months, which I know have been rough for everyone due to this historic stint of bad weather.)
-Some months you will get a 4-day every block of reserve days, some months it will be a turn or a quick overnight but it seems no matter what, you will fly most days on-call. We have an aggressive pick-up system which is nice for those that want to fly.
-Reserve bidding is by PBS. It seems OK...so far, jury is still out though. I am fairly senior as far as reserves go and pretty regularly am able to hold the days off and call-out period that I want. Your mileage may very as a junior reserve, but the good news is that on the FO side, reserve seems to be less than a year.
Hope this provides some insight. Maybe staffing is tighter on the ERJ side than the CRJ but this seems to be par for the course since the merger. As I said, your mileage may vary.
If you are a newbie the above statement may come across a bit harsh and bitter. Is the poster slightly bitter. You can bet your left nut he is! But he wasn't born that way. He was cultivated that way. Something made him bitter. Take that for what it's worth.
Once the honey-moon is over you will remember the day you read this.
03-14-2014 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
Where you been they been working on this for almost six months. Right from the horses mouth CT. Well he's gone now but i'm sure their still working on the E Cert for XJT.
Nah, those q400s you saw in yyz are going to ExpressJet. Why would inc. Look to get XJT the 175??? Didnt you listen to the board members q4 conference call?
Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
Where you been they been working on this for almost six months. Right from the horses mouth CT. Well he's gone now but i'm sure their still working on the E Cert for XJT.
Nah, those q400s you saw in yyz are going to ExpressJet. Why would inc. Look to get XJT the 175??? Didnt you listen to the board members q4 conference call?
Reminds me of a time I was telling a Skywest jumps seater that JA wanted us to take 16% concessions in order to bring us down to the average Skywest compensation. He said that that isn't true. So asked him, is JA a lying scumbag or is he right about our compensation. Easy answer either way but he couldn't even bring himself to say JA is a lying scumbag.
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