Originally Posted by Spoilers

New MEC Chair is an IP! That's just great... These guys live in sim world and have no clue whats going down on line!

Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo

Wrong. <----see what I did there... On a mature level I disagree with your assertion that Skywest can and will grow. Laws of supply and demand would dictate that the massive hiring need that Skywest airlines would have would simply be too much. With respect to the current pay structure, they wouldn't be able to procure enough applicants. There just aren't enough pilots out there that would be willing to work for the skywest's pay scale. At some point the majors may start shooting out RFP's to airlines that can staff the operation. While I agree XJT will shrink, it is likely that the new RFP's will contain higher revenue numbers. The higher paying RFP's will easily make a viable company. Simply giving Jets and RFP's to skywest will not work, they just wont have the pilot supply. While ASA/XJT shrinks there will still be a contingency of pilots that will never leave. They will be the pilots flying the E-175 jets.

I know your argument next. Since Skywest will be growing so much there will be a line of current 121 pilots banging on the door for quick upgrade.... Unlikely, most are already slotted for other majors and I seriously doubt the ASA/XJT pilots will jump ship for Skywest. That's most of the industry, and there really aren't enough pilots in the university pipelines.

let's look at the pilot groups for a second...

Eagle 3000 pilots slotted for AMR

Compass 400+ slotted for Delta

Endeavor 2000 kinda slotted for Delta but not interested in regionals none the less...

ASA/XJT 4400 pilots who will likely apply and accept an interview so they can tell you to shove it up your _____ ... Just for a laugh

Republic 2000 or so, but they are simply shutting down parts of their airline because they don't have the pilots...

So please do explain how this incredible Skywest growth would happen without paying more. Look at whats happening at Eagle and Republic already. It's just the start....

Finally you say I may not like the sound of it in terms of a wind down...

"While you may not like the sound of it, it's a smart business move and we all know it's all about the money."

I'm actually freaking elated at the concept. It makes me grin ear to ear. Winding down the operation will mean that the majors really don't have any cost benefit in using the regional model and they simply will let the remaining contracts be done. If this happens it means that the c scale regional model is done. The majors will be forced to take back most of the flying and the last few RJ carriers will only be a fraction of what they are today. I seriously, seriously, seriously dream of that day. Honestly, if i'm lucky enough to ever get a major job, it will be a personal mission to see to it that the RJ carriers cease to fly.

Originally Posted by Trip7

Well said. I would love to see Skywest wind down XJT then attempt to pick up the 100s of E175 orders flying themselves!

Originally Posted by NVUS

Get your popcorn ready, then.

You all act as though these hundreds of aircraft need staffing ASAP, when in reality, the deliveries of these aircraft are stretched out over the next 11 years.

Originally Posted by spuzzyair

Exactly, some simply don't get it. The planes aren't showing up all at once tomorrow. As 200's increasingly get parked that frees up crews in addition to new hires to staff the 175's down the road....its a fleet renewal for SkyWest. Y'all can sit back and deny all you want and tell us how ExpressJet needs to hold the line, management has no choice. They have plenty of choices, and one is not to reward an airline that loses money and drags down profits. Especially when United and Delta are both begging for the 50 seat flying to go away... that makes it that much easier.

Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron

That staffing model sounds all well and good but it doesn't look as if you are factoring in retirements and attrition. Sure, parking 200's and some new hires will help fill 175 seats but when Delta, United, and American start cranking up the hiring, then mainline (i mean skyw) could very well have trouble filling those seats. Add on to that the skyw guys that might leave for the likes of Alaska, Spirit, JB, Allegiant, Hawaiian, etc... and inc could be in a real bind.

The plan may be to wind it down. i dont know. But I wont be voting for concessions as long as inc has all the waste of running OO and EV separately. Combine the entire operation and show me then that every thing has been done to make one profitable airline. If the airline is not profitable at that point, then ill talk concessions.

Originally Posted by AnchorDown

I'll take a stab... DFW relatively JR, may take a few months but people are always transferring where their relative seniority is highest. Most jr CRJ base is IAD. Flight benefits are United and Delta, only get AA benefits of you're DFW based, but they are worthless.. Have to list 3 days in advance... That should tell you enough...

ATL, DFW, IAD are the 200 bases.. DTW and ATL are 7/900 bases. Most jr of those 2 is obviously DTW.... Training is AQP... Currently testing iPads, hopefully be on line by summer 2014. Right now we have to lug everything around. CNX pay is on a leg per leg basis. Duty rig of 3.86 hrs per day. However if a fellow crewmwmber wants you to pick up an Augusta r/t from aTL it's block only, rig won't apply.

Just had a contract vote Jan 14th and got voted down by 83%. Still currently in negotiations.

DFW wouldn't take long.. A lot of people getting hired on and moving out so a lot of shifting around.

Good luck.

AnchorDown

Originally Posted by AnchorDown

MEC chair deals mostly with National. He's basically trying to get us funding for committees, grievances and so forth. Tony is an awesome guy. He's not afraid to get into people's face if he has to and that includes Lee Moak. I think we should see what he can do. I really hope these guys can start a better communication process, it's been dismal.

AnchorDown