What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
02-28-2014 | 04:28 PM
#5221
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You can thank your management for negotiating that on your behalf.
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Originally Posted by spuzzyair
Exactly, some simply don't get it. The planes aren't showing up all at once tomorrow. As 200's increasingly get parked that frees up crews in addition to new hires to staff the 175's down the road....its a fleet renewal for SkyWest. Y'all can sit back and deny all you want and tell us how ExpressJet needs to hold the line, management has no choice. They have plenty of choices, and one is not to reward an airline that loses money and drags down profits. Especially when United and Delta are both begging for the 50 seat flying to go away... that makes it that much easier.
That staffing model sounds all well and good but it doesn't look as if you are factoring in retirements and attrition. Sure, parking 200's and some new hires will help fill 175 seats but when Delta, United, and American start cranking up the hiring, then mainline (i mean skyw) could very well have trouble filling those seats. Add on to that the skyw guys that might leave for the likes of Alaska, Spirit, JB, Allegiant, Hawaiian, etc... and inc could be in a real bind.
The plan may be to wind it down. i dont know. But I wont be voting for concessions as long as inc has all the waste of running OO and EV separately. Combine the entire operation and show me then that every thing has been done to make one profitable airline. If the airline is not profitable at that point, then ill talk concessions.
Originally Posted by spuzzyair
Exactly, some simply don't get it. The planes aren't showing up all at once tomorrow. As 200's increasingly get parked that frees up crews in addition to new hires to staff the 175's down the road....its a fleet renewal for SkyWest. Y'all can sit back and deny all you want and tell us how ExpressJet needs to hold the line, management has no choice. They have plenty of choices, and one is not to reward an airline that loses money and drags down profits. Especially when United and Delta are both begging for the 50 seat flying to go away... that makes it that much easier.
That staffing model sounds all well and good but it doesn't look as if you are factoring in retirements and attrition. Sure, parking 200's and some new hires will help fill 175 seats but when Delta, United, and American start cranking up the hiring, then mainline (i mean skyw) could very well have trouble filling those seats. Add on to that the skyw guys that might leave for the likes of Alaska, Spirit, JB, Allegiant, Hawaiian, etc... and inc could be in a real bind.
The plan may be to wind it down. i dont know. But I wont be voting for concessions as long as inc has all the waste of running OO and EV separately. Combine the entire operation and show me then that every thing has been done to make one profitable airline. If the airline is not profitable at that point, then ill talk concessions.
Eff that! Wind it down!
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Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron
That staffing model sounds all well and good but it doesn't look as if you are factoring in retirements and attrition. Sure, parking 200's and some new hires will help fill 175 seats but when Delta, United, and American start cranking up the hiring, then mainline (i mean skyw) could very well have trouble filling those seats. Add on to that the skyw guys that might leave for the likes of Alaska, Spirit, JB, Allegiant, Hawaiian, etc... and inc could be in a real bind.
The plan may be to wind it down. i dont know. But I wont be voting for concessions as long as inc has all the waste of running OO and EV separately. Combine the entire operation and show me then that every thing has been done to make one profitable airline. If the airline is not profitable at that point, then ill talk concessions.
Not arguing that... combine or wind down I think are the two options... I don't think its viable for them to continue to run two separate operations. It could be hugely beneficial to combine, but as long as unions are in the picture its never going to happen.
Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron
That staffing model sounds all well and good but it doesn't look as if you are factoring in retirements and attrition. Sure, parking 200's and some new hires will help fill 175 seats but when Delta, United, and American start cranking up the hiring, then mainline (i mean skyw) could very well have trouble filling those seats. Add on to that the skyw guys that might leave for the likes of Alaska, Spirit, JB, Allegiant, Hawaiian, etc... and inc could be in a real bind.
The plan may be to wind it down. i dont know. But I wont be voting for concessions as long as inc has all the waste of running OO and EV separately. Combine the entire operation and show me then that every thing has been done to make one profitable airline. If the airline is not profitable at that point, then ill talk concessions.
Not arguing that... combine or wind down I think are the two options... I don't think its viable for them to continue to run two separate operations. It could be hugely beneficial to combine, but as long as unions are in the picture its never going to happen.
02-28-2014 | 05:35 PM
#5222
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Not that I think it will happen but if they do transfer aircraft, ALL XJT pilots (LASA & LXJT) are eligible to transfer (5 CAs & 5 FOs per aircraft) with the FIRST aircraft, taking with them longevity AND seniority.
You can thank your management for negotiating that on your behalf.
You can thank your management for negotiating that on your behalf.
And even if that protection is in the xjt contract, Skywest won't be taking any more 50 seaters, especially an entirely different type than what they currently operate. If they take anything it will be 700s and 900s, possibly some 200s.
02-28-2014 | 06:17 PM
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Not sure if that is in the Xjt contract but the Asa contract says after 5th aircraft. The TA language was turned down and means nada now.
And even if that protection is in the xjt contract, Skywest won't be taking any more 50 seaters, especially an entirely different type than what they currently operate. If they take anything it will be 700s and 900s, possibly some 200s.
And even if that protection is in the xjt contract, Skywest won't be taking any more 50 seaters, especially an entirely different type than what they currently operate. If they take anything it will be 700s and 900s, possibly some 200s.
02-28-2014 | 06:32 PM
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The new MEC chairman will be just like the last one. He'll look out senior captains and the IP's(since he is one, he hasn't flown the line in 15 yrs at least ). His sole goal will be to keep the doors open at XJT(ASA side) cause he's a lifer. The new CNC chair is also a lifer. Both will have no problem selling FO's and res captain's down the river to keep the place in business. The Fo and Capt reps should be ashamed that they let this happen. Get ready for another turd to vote on in a couple years.
02-28-2014 | 07:27 PM
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There has been some talk in the lounge that SKW might split Asa and Xjt back up. Is this even possible?
02-28-2014 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Not that I think it will happen but if they do transfer aircraft, ALL XJT pilots (LASA & LXJT) are eligible to transfer (5 CAs & 5 FOs per aircraft) with the FIRST aircraft, taking with them longevity AND seniority.
You can thank your management for negotiating that on your behalf.
Not sure if that is in the Xjt contract but the Asa contract says after 5th aircraft. The TA language was turned down and means nada now.
And even if that protection is in the xjt contract, Skywest won't be taking any more 50 seaters, especially an entirely different type than what they currently operate. If they take anything it will be 700s and 900s, possibly some 200s.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Not that I think it will happen but if they do transfer aircraft, ALL XJT pilots (LASA & LXJT) are eligible to transfer (5 CAs & 5 FOs per aircraft) with the FIRST aircraft, taking with them longevity AND seniority.
You can thank your management for negotiating that on your behalf.
Not sure if that is in the Xjt contract but the Asa contract says after 5th aircraft. The TA language was turned down and means nada now.
And even if that protection is in the xjt contract, Skywest won't be taking any more 50 seaters, especially an entirely different type than what they currently operate. If they take anything it will be 700s and 900s, possibly some 200s.
As for the language itself, it's in both contracts now. Your management negotiated that for us in our transition and process agreement. It modified ASA's contract and added that language to the XJT contract.
They would have to go through the time, trouble, and expense to get another 121 operating certificate from the FAA. There would be no point to it so I highly doubt it.
02-28-2014 | 10:22 PM
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Not that I think it will happen but if they do transfer aircraft, ALL XJT pilots (LASA & LXJT) are eligible to transfer (5 CAs & 5 FOs per aircraft) with the FIRST aircraft, taking with them longevity AND seniority.
You can thank your management for negotiating that on your behalf.
Exactly! Why should we approve a concessionary contract in order to perpetuate our ceo's immoral whipsaw business model and run pay two separate management teams and two sets of systems and departments so that he can put more money in his pocket while at the same time giving himself thousands of shares of stock?
Eff that! Wind it down!
What if Skywest certified SAPA as their NMB recognized bargaining agent?
You can thank your management for negotiating that on your behalf.
Exactly! Why should we approve a concessionary contract in order to perpetuate our ceo's immoral whipsaw business model and run pay two separate management teams and two sets of systems and departments so that he can put more money in his pocket while at the same time giving himself thousands of shares of stock?
Eff that! Wind it down!
What if Skywest certified SAPA as their NMB recognized bargaining agent?
03-01-2014 | 05:22 AM
#5229
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The new ASA MEC chairman has been in office for a whopping two days. Let's give him a chance and see what he does before we criticize.
After yesterday's union meeting where one rep got recalled and one survived by one vote, I think the message has been sent. I think we are going to see a much more responsive union. Two new reps joined the MEC this week too, both young, idealistic and open minded. "Non-lifers" now have a majority vote.
After yesterday's union meeting where one rep got recalled and one survived by one vote, I think the message has been sent. I think we are going to see a much more responsive union. Two new reps joined the MEC this week too, both young, idealistic and open minded. "Non-lifers" now have a majority vote.
03-01-2014 | 07:07 AM
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