Red97Vette

Wow.

1. The TA hasn't even passed yet.
2. Even if it does no one knows who's 200's are going to be parked, or how many from each carrier. So me being on the "street" isnt going to happen. In my situation over 50% of ASA would need to be parked.
3. The TA calls for an increase in 70 and 76 seat aircraft (not as many to offset the loss of the 200's buts its a step in the right direction).
4. You act as if United will forever be in love with your old 50 seat ERJ's. EVERYONE knows 50 seat airplanes are going to be parked and larger RJs are the future, its economics. Hmmmm, isnt ALL of L-XJT's airplanes 50 seaters? I'd be concerned... (dont expect all your 50's to be replaced with larger airframes overnight, when they start shedding the 50's you will be in ASA's position, possibly shrinking)
5. The TA that Delta is proposing isnt out of left field. The wind down of the 200 flying was going to happen, everyone knew it and has for a while.
6. Continental pilots want all their outsourced flying back. Their union (also ALPA) was pushing to retract all your flying pre merger with United. You act as if your contract is iron clad and there are no exceptions that allow for a decrease in your airframes (either a strait reduction or a 2 for 1 or worse, etc type deal). Nothing is certain other than the dumb fat and highest paid pilots in the regional sector usually dont sit there forever. Then have fun on the "street."


Have fun "digging in" and "getting ready for battle." You sound like like a 5 year old kid in a candy store crying to his mommy. Everyone wishes you'd just S T F U.

In my above post I was making a logical observation and drawing some obvious conclusions. Have fun "digging in" though.

atrdriver

That's the most sane thing I've read on these boards. I wasn't picking on you, btw... it was reacharound2000 who kept running his mouth about our POS contract with our duty and trip rigs, 3.86 min day and vacation low that gave me three+ weeks off with one week of vacation last year while preserving my 75 hour guarantee.

Someone apparently doesn't deserve their "English Language Proficiency" endorsement... But I think I could decipher the illiteracy enough there to understand that your maturity level is well below average as well. I'm sure that isn't the norm for pmXJT guys; perhaps you're just a flight attendant.

BassFishr

Took the words out of my mouth. Well said.

Banshee365

It just so happens that the 50 seat issue is happening in the Delta world rather than the United world. Don't think for a minute United is exempt from this and expect United to follow Delta's footsteps. It's easy to sit on your "secure" high horse and talk trash about our Delta flying but we've been operating mostly nothing but Delta for over 30 years so the games that go on are not new to us. If the 50 seat possibilities were on the United side you wouldn't be smiling so much over there would you?

Bottom line is that anything that happens in the Delta system is also your problem, that much is 100% certain. I understand the shooting for the moon concept and applaud you guy's for being that way as I think it will push the unions to go after good things for us while still remaining reasonable in the business aspect. If you're looking to get paid 120 hrs while working 30 then you REALLY need to work on your expectations. I don't mind working for my money but certainly want things in the contract to protect the pilot group from abuse.

P.S. Pardon me from not reading red's post before posting as my view's reflect some of the same posted in his reply.

hemaybedid

This legacy ASA guy listened to and spoke with an MEC rep in ATL and I fully expect a concessionary contract for both sides, even though we have more leverage now than possibly ever before. Their only concern, as I see it, is a few bucks for the senior guys and continuing the measly 1% raise a year for those same guys topped out on the scale. I explained to one of those guys the other day that every year he's losing atleast 2% in purchasing power per dollar. His retort was "well, 1% is quite a bit of money when your topped out on the scale". This is what we have to deal with in this sector of the industry :/

drrhythm2

Most everyone I've spoken to on the Xjet side wouldn't put up with this at all, regardless of whether a 12 year captain or 1 year FO.

Red97Vette

Very well put

atrdriver

Not to mention, nothing says ASA is going to lose a bunch of Delta airframes. In fact, signs point to us being the biggest benefactor of the DL TA among the regionals, which won't even start affecting the RJs until late next year, and at that point it won't be more of a trickle than flood of RJ retirements.

CHQ and CMR 50-seaters are coming off lease in the next couple years, so there's ~40 or so airframes gone without any 76-seater swaps. There are 16 Pinnacle 900s to place somewhere before the additional 76-seaters are even ordered. And SKYW, with its cash reserves, superior credit and leverage with both Bombardier and Embraer, is in a position to (and recent media reports suggest they will) place a sizable order for RJs in the near future. These could be a large chunk of the 102 76-seaters that Delta will be adding to the fleet over the next five to six years. (Which would benefit Delta, as they're trying to keep their debt load <$10B. Keeping a large RJ order off their own books would work toward that end.)

Delta basically controls Pinnacle, so there's a big question mark as as to whether their 200's will even get swapped out for larger airframes, or on a favorable ratio if they do. Who else would get those new 900's? GoJetz? No, considering their lack of leverage, operational performance, etc etc. Mesa? Delta got burned there a couple times already. RAH? Nope.

Not saying things will be sunshine and lollipops at ASA, but all this fear-mongering by the XJT side about the Delta TA is completely unwarranted. No one knows how the Delta TA stuff will play out. It could be a disaster, it could be a huge boon. So, chill the fu(k out and wait and see. There's no reason to harpoon a TA just because of fear-mongering by a few. And there won't be any sacrificing of the most junior XJT pilots (who, by the way, were hired by ASA post merger and therefore are junior to all ASA pilots) to furloughs. It's amazing to see the fear and misinformation coming out of the pmXJT side.

MR JT8D

The same thing WILL BE going on at United's side..... very, very soon....... The longer they stall, the more money THEY put in their pockets. Period. ExpressJet is trying to get extensions on the airframes already!!!! What does that tell you? There is NO replacement aircraft......... Keep dragging the contract along till they're parked.......

Call someone in the know about the airframe serial numbers and hours/cycles.........

TOAST!!!!!!!!!!!

FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!

captain beefy

How do I verify the credentials of "someone in the know"?

PANCAKES!!!!!!

DUNDERHEAD!!!!


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