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06-07-2012 | 07:21 AM

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Of course there is. There are aircraft exchange ratios in the UAL CPA, and there will be on the DAL side if the DAL TA passes. It will be at least a year before we start seeing airframes exchanged (SKYW Inc still hasn't ordered new airplanes yet). Any loss in airframes will be offset with attrition, and we'll probably be hiring during all of it. This doesn't even account for possible AA flying. The company is in an obvious freak-out mode about getting everybody ATP eligible by 2013, so what does that tell you? But hey, these guys don't want to listen to facts, they just want to Chicken Little their way into a sub-standard TA. They act like 200 airframes will disappear tomorrow.

Frankly, the only thing that getting everyone ATP-eligible tells me is that they want to be in compliance with the law. I'm not sure how that's a harbinger of good things to come.

I know everyone is a little freaked out, but there is so much large-scale change coming it's hard not to worry/be excited/freak out some about it. Between the retirements, rest-rules, ATP law, new JCBA, SLI after that, Delta TA, United working on theirs.... I'm having a hard time figured out whether to be worried or excited.

06-07-2012 | 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sinca3

I haven't been keeping up with the regionals in several years, so please don't take these questions an comments as flaming.
Why is the SLI taking so long for you guys? I would think a ratio of some sorts to honor the fact ASA has larger a/c in its fleet and go from there. This seems to be the way other airlines have done it and seems fair somewhat am I missing?
Also I was wondering how long the ERJ's are to remain in the fleet. I know the CRJ 100/200 are coming due for heavy mx, are the ERJ's far behind?
Good luck in your SLI and Joint contract.

The SLI has to be done after the JCBA per ALPA, at least that's what I have been told.

06-07-2012 | 07:26 AM

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The SLI has to be done after the JCBA per ALPA, at least that's what I have been told.

This is exactly the case, no official work done on the sli yet.

06-07-2012 | 07:27 AM

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I haven't heard of such a ratio. Perhaps one has been used at the Legacy carrier level since equipment determines "Career Expectations" financially. XJT's 50 seat pay rates are very close to some airlines' 70 seat rates, I don't think our "Career Expectations" are any different whether we fly 37, 50, or 70 seats. XJT operated for (and was owned by) Continental which didn't allow jets bigger than 50 seats, and even restricted the flying XJT could do for other airlines. Don't see where that would be a player in SLI. Yes the ERJ's and older CRJ's are coming up on the end of their useful life. There's been much discussion particularly on SKYW Inc Earnings calls about fleet renewal.

And the fact that no one is MAKING 50-seat RJ's anymore. At some point the airframes are going to time out or become so mx-cost prohibitive that they are not worth flying.

I mean, I guess if you went to Embraer or Canadair with a suitcase containing $4 billion in cash and demanded 200 new ERJ-145s or CRJ-200's, they would fire up the assembly lines again, but I don't think either company plans on making anything other than "large" RJ's for the immediate future.

So there will be a tipping point where regardless of all the contract talk, the 50-seaters are going to have to start to retire. Some are still young by airplane standards, but they get so many more cycles than larger aircraft you'd think they'd have to time out faster.

06-07-2012 | 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by drrhythm2

I know everyone is a little freaked out, but there is so much large-scale change coming it's hard not to worry/be excited/freak out some about it. Between the retirements, rest-rules, ATP law, new JCBA, SLI after that, Delta TA, United working on theirs.... I'm having a hard time figured out whether to be worried or excited.

Exactly the point. By the time ANY airframes start moving, this will be a much different industry and company. Big changes are coming, good and bad.

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Frankly, the only thing that getting everyone ATP-eligible tells me is that they want to be in compliance with the law. I'm not sure how that's a harbinger of good things to come.

Why would they care about everyone getting to 1500 hours if they were going to furlough all those junior FO's? For the rest that qualify, ya they need to get everyone legal. Still not hearing the level of standards at other companies that we're starting to implement. Guys are getting told to call XJT HR back when they get to 1000 hours while taking jobs at Piedmont (apparently PDT is not concerned about 2013?).

06-07-2012 | 10:37 AM

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I figured this gem that Kilroy posted over on one of the DL TA threads needed to be repeated over here.

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The ASA/Expressjet are the ones who will end up with the 717. That's why the 2B credit and that's why Delta pilots will vote this TA in.

A kid can dream!

06-07-2012 | 10:50 AM

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I figured this gem that Kilroy posted over on one of the DL TA threads needed to be repeated over here.

A kid can dream!

First it was Pinnacle getting the 717s rumor and a B scale now Expressjet... Every pilot group thinks they have something more special than the rest.

06-07-2012 | 02:57 PM

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I figured this gem that Kilroy posted over on one of the DL TA threads needed to be repeated over here.

A kid can dream!

First it was Pinnacle getting the 717s rumor and a B scale now Expressjet... Every pilot group thinks they have something more special than the rest.

Like the special Olympics! Oh and per the union email, they're not done with the TA. Frankly, unless you're a 6.5 year f/o on the crj side or really junior on either list I don't see the rush! Three more years under the current contract would be fine.