What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
06-10-2012 | 07:26 PM
#161
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Let us please try to remember that we are all in the same boat, regardless of which aircraft we fly. There will be a new contract, and there will be an SLI. We need to work together to make this work as smoothly as possible, not bury each other in the process.
06-10-2012 | 08:16 PM
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Here's what's going on though as I type this, our guys on ERJ are starting to realize why everyone is in a hurry to close this deal, and it doesn't bode well for us; so we'll just slow down for a bit and wait. If the Delta TA goes through, don't expect a TA to pass on our side unless there are significant job protections and QOL improvements. Not in a hurry, we have a good contract on the ERJ side. As far as I'm concerned we can just keep operating separately permanently!
There is a "need" to wrap this up if we are going to take advantage of some opportunities that are out there. IF the Delta TA passes, the 50s don't leave till the end of 2015. With attrition, and replacement 900s, I don't see any furloughs.
Yes there are many that think it is prudent to wrap this up...but it isn't because of pending furloughs.....
06-10-2012 | 08:19 PM
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and I just have to say -- this is classic childhood, bully BS:
goaround2000
Nothing personal, but that was true school-yard, bully badgering. Complete opposite of mature.
goaround2000
Then leave. There's the door, since you're the epitome of maturity why don't you move on to a more "mature" environment in aviation (notice the irony in that sentence)
Nothing personal, but that was true school-yard, bully badgering. Complete opposite of mature.
06-12-2012 | 06:17 AM
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Personally, I'm OK with staying separate too....However you are way off in left field with your "theory".
There is a "need" to wrap this up if we are going to take advantage of some opportunities that are out there. IF the Delta TA passes, the 50s don't leave till the end of 2015. With attrition, and replacement 900s, I don't see any furloughs.
Yes there are many that think it is prudent to wrap this up...but it isn't because of pending furloughs.....
There is a "need" to wrap this up if we are going to take advantage of some opportunities that are out there. IF the Delta TA passes, the 50s don't leave till the end of 2015. With attrition, and replacement 900s, I don't see any furloughs.
Yes there are many that think it is prudent to wrap this up...but it isn't because of pending furloughs.....
Now if there is something to that effect in the Delta TA, that's another story and I hope that's the case, but I'm just saying...
06-12-2012 | 08:00 AM
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exactly...why do you think skywest bought us to merge with ASA?? ASA's contract with delta is a loser..
Difference is CAL/UAL use an rj where a 737 should go, and a 73 where a 75 should go, and so on.
Something else no one has mentioned is the terms of the cpa between CAL/UAL and the new XJT. You see folks, J.A. is anything but stupid, when Skywest inc. bought XJT, JA made sure that it would be a long term deal. The public documents released post the announcement of the merger indicate that if they (CAL/UAL) pull one 1 rj, it has to be replaced with something, on a 1 by 1 basis. So for those of you that like it simple:
Per the CPA:
UAL pulls one RJ from the XJT 145's
XJT gets 1 whatever (700, 900, 170, pick your poison).
So I ask again, my fellow embraer drivers at XJT; what's the rush? We're not losing any flying anytime soon, the crj guys are. Let the pieces fall where they may first, then we'll talk shop.
Something else no one has mentioned is the terms of the cpa between CAL/UAL and the new XJT. You see folks, J.A. is anything but stupid, when Skywest inc. bought XJT, JA made sure that it would be a long term deal. The public documents released post the announcement of the merger indicate that if they (CAL/UAL) pull one 1 rj, it has to be replaced with something, on a 1 by 1 basis. So for those of you that like it simple:
Per the CPA:
UAL pulls one RJ from the XJT 145's
XJT gets 1 whatever (700, 900, 170, pick your poison).
So I ask again, my fellow embraer drivers at XJT; what's the rush? We're not losing any flying anytime soon, the crj guys are. Let the pieces fall where they may first, then we'll talk shop.
06-12-2012 | 09:08 AM
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What makes you think no 50's would leave until the end of 2015? Because that's when the contract is up? What happens when Delta says "you either agree to start getting rid of 2 50's for every new 70/76 seat jet we give you right now, or after 2015 your contract will not be renewed and you won't be doing business with us again, ever."?
Now if there is something to that effect in the Delta TA, that's another story and I hope that's the case, but I'm just saying...
Now if there is something to that effect in the Delta TA, that's another story and I hope that's the case, but I'm just saying...
As per the TA, 50 seat RJs (operated by more regionals than just us) don't START to leave until Delta receives 717s. These are scheule to start in 2nd half 2013. This isn't going to happen overnight! You're not going to be furloughed!
United is under negotiations, what happens if they want to do the same? You need to look around more than just Delta. Take a look at the whole industry including positives such as future hiring etc.
Lastely, when a company wants to rush a contract there is a reason, potential American flying??
Typed on iPhone, excuse errors.
06-12-2012 | 09:11 AM
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The way I see it is this. There is a reason why the negotiations have been sped up. There is a reason why they replaced SH with CT. There is a reason why Skywest Inc has put pressure on both sides to get this deal done. The reason is not because the cost of having two seperate sides is too much, it practically costs them nothing. Knowing that Skywest Inc is the only regional that has a strong credit rating, and cash reserves to go out and make some noise, combine that with the recent events that have made some of Eagles and Pinnacles along with some USAir flying up for bid, I have to believe that INC wants this done to make a play for more flying.
You can vote no, in the belief that it shields the ERJ pilots, but I honestly be it would be closing the door to a decent amount of growth.
You can vote no, in the belief that it shields the ERJ pilots, but I honestly be it would be closing the door to a decent amount of growth.
06-12-2012 | 09:55 AM
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The way I see it is this. There is a reason why the negotiations have been sped up. There is a reason why they replaced SH with CT. There is a reason why Skywest Inc has put pressure on both sides to get this deal done. The reason is not because the cost of having two seperate sides is too much, it practically costs them nothing. Knowing that Skywest Inc is the only regional that has a strong credit rating, and cash reserves to go out and make some noise, combine that with the recent events that have made some of Eagles and Pinnacles along with some USAir flying up for bid, I have to believe that INC wants this done to make a play for more flying.
You can vote no, in the belief that it shields the ERJ pilots, but I honestly be it would be closing the door to a decent amount of growth.
You can vote no, in the belief that it shields the ERJ pilots, but I honestly be it would be closing the door to a decent amount of growth.
Also, INC wants the process done and finished because the real cost savings, the reason for the entire merger to begin with, will not be seen and taken advantage of until everything is wrapped up.
Two reasons to get this shat finished. Shat.
06-12-2012 | 11:16 AM
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Remember when the whole deal was being pitched there'd be "80 million dollars saved in synergies" from merging the operations.
80 million saved does't really equate to "cost them nothing".
06-12-2012 | 11:29 AM
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"Remember when the whole deal was being pitched there'd be "80 million dollars saved in synergies" from merging the operations.
80 million saved does't really equate to "cost them nothing".The airline is one now, most of the savings have been achieved."
Think about it, what is the additional cost that they are incurring by having ASA legacy fly the CRJ and Expressjet Legacy flying the ERJ exclusively. They have streamlined most other operations within the company. Combining the two pilot groups will even add additional costs with training, and hopefully the additional pay/QOl from the subsequent contract.
80 million saved does't really equate to "cost them nothing".The airline is one now, most of the savings have been achieved."
Think about it, what is the additional cost that they are incurring by having ASA legacy fly the CRJ and Expressjet Legacy flying the ERJ exclusively. They have streamlined most other operations within the company. Combining the two pilot groups will even add additional costs with training, and hopefully the additional pay/QOl from the subsequent contract.
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