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Old 07-25-2012, 11:10 AM
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So I bumped into 2 different captains in the crew room the other day, they had just been in recurrent, and told me some news. Apparently ASA has more or less secured the Miami Eagle flying and that our over water converted 200's are doing the flying. They also said that the Dallas base was also going to be likely operated by ASA. Anybody else hearing this? Sounds quite a bit optimistic...
Dallas base sounds very optimistic, and I'm sure it's mostly started by the ex-DFW based guys. Wishful thinking. There won't be any new bases unless there is a firm commitment and guarantee from <insert major airline partner>.

The overwater thing is legit apparently.
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Old 07-25-2012, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Red97Vette View Post
So I bumped into 2 different captains in the crew room the other day, they had just been in recurrent, and told me some news. Apparently ASA has more or less secured the Miami Eagle flying and that our over water converted 200's are doing the flying. They also said that the Dallas base was also going to be likely operated by ASA. Anybody else hearing this? Sounds quite a bit optimistic...
What's with you guys and taking Eagle's "open water flying" thing? The ATRs and Embraers that currently do the Bahama and Key West flying are no different from the ones doing domestic flying over land. Even the ATRs in SJU don't carry life rafts anymore because they never get far enough from land. And why would AMR want more unprofitable 50 seat flying? Rumors that come from recurrent classes are the best. Only second to, "a mechanic told me.."
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:36 PM
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What's with you guys and taking Eagle's "open water flying" thing? The ATRs and Embraers that currently do the Bahama and Key West flying are no different from the ones doing domestic flying over land. Even the ATRs in SJU don't carry life rafts anymore because they never get far enough from land. And why would AMR want more unprofitable 50 seat flying? Rumors that come from recurrent classes are the best. Only second to, "a mechanic told me.."
While I normally feel the same way about rumors I have heard about the 'over water certification' thing floating around from many IPs I have flown with / talked to. An assumption could be made that it will be for Eagle, but I haven't heard anything about that.
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:16 PM
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While I normally feel the same way about rumors I have heard about the 'over water certification' thing floating around from many IPs I have flown with / talked to. An assumption could be made that it will be for Eagle, but I haven't heard anything about that.
It just doesn't make sense, that's all. FWIW, many instructors, IPs, and ground instructors said AMR had a 190 sim sitting at CAE. Which is obviously not true and completely ridiculous as well.
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:50 PM
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It just doesn't make sense, that's all. FWIW, many instructors, IPs, and ground instructors said AMR had a 190 sim sitting at CAE. Which is obviously not true and completely ridiculous as well.
Neither did Vietnam when we all first heard the rumblings. Let's just wait and see. Hopefully hiring picks up soon and attrition kicks up for all.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:30 PM
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Neither did Vietnam when we all first heard the rumblings. Let's just wait and see. Hopefully hiring picks up soon and attrition kicks up for all.
It's just really frustrating with your own union selling you out and a good likelihood of losing a lot of flying!
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha View Post
While I normally feel the same way about rumors I have heard about the 'over water certification' thing floating around from many IPs I have flown with / talked to. An assumption could be made that it will be for Eagle, but I haven't heard anything about that.
You guys still don't make sense, what Eagle routes will you do that require over water ops? Eagle currently doesn't have any routes that require over water ops. If it was to pick up the slack for the ATR in the Caribbean, much of what the ATR does out of SJU can't be done by a CRJ 200, and for the Miami stuff is not required.
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You guys still don't make sense, what Eagle routes will you do that require over water ops? Eagle currently doesn't have any routes that require over water ops. If it was to pick up the slack for the ATR in the Caribbean, much of what the ATR does out of SJU can't be done by a CRJ 200, and for the Miami stuff is not required.
Who knows what the over-water ops are for? All I can confirm is that these conversions are truely taking place, and there is no way ExpressJet would spend the $$$ to convert these aircraft for "hopes" of using them somewhere. Your guess is as good as mine, but if the higher ups are telling people these conversions are for American flying, what else could it be?!
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:55 PM
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You guys still don't make sense, what Eagle routes will you do that require over water ops? Eagle currently doesn't have any routes that require over water ops. If it was to pick up the slack for the ATR in the Caribbean, much of what the ATR does out of SJU can't be done by a CRJ 200, and for the Miami stuff is not required.
One terrible question. What if the routes we are discussing aren't necessarily replacing AE flying out of San Juan or Miami, but are actually replacing some of the AA flying from Miami to the islands or South America or Central America? I fear this may be the case!!! (I truely hope I'm wrong!)
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Originally Posted by Av8rking View Post
Who knows what the over-water ops are for? All I can confirm is that these conversions are truely taking place, and there is no way ExpressJet would spend the $$$ to convert these aircraft for "hopes" of using them somewhere. Your guess is as good as mine, but if the higher ups are telling people these conversions are for American flying, what else could it be?!
ExpressJet's parent company spent tons of money getting the CRJ700's at OO ready for "overwater" ops a few years back. There are still flip cards in the planes today. Pilots all had to pass a computerized test on the ops limits and requirments too... all for "hopes" of using them somewhere.

Not saying either way if this rumor is true. Just saying not all that glitters is gold.
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