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Old 07-17-2012, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaxs170 View Post
Any idea of the base distribution for it (or what the distro will be for the 7/23 class)?

Where's the new flying coming from or is it just attrition that caused them to hire?
The 7/9 class was awarded bases today.
IAD 4
ATL 10

I have no idea what is to be expected for the distribution of the next class.


All the "visitors" to the class have cited attrition as the reason for hiring.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:34 PM
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Because they are junior to you! Your contract language just sucks too much that it allows this to happen. The more senior person should get more days off in this scenario or both should be on reserve and the trips dropped in open time for more senior line holders to trade for.

Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...
Denpilot, yes it is "flying" over here. Try using it before you bash it. PBS is superior to line bidding IMHO (ASA PBS). If you don't fully understand it, it's not that hard btw, then you can get screwed. You need any random week off and a few days here and there, and your not really junior, then you usually get it. With line bidding, good luck, I hope they have your week off pre made and the other days off you want, and no one senior to you takes the 1 or 2 pre canned lines there were available before you. I would argue that most people at ASA love our PBS. "most" being the key word. Then again we can't double or triple drip and drop parings touching vacation and still gt paid for everything that drops... Then again, we (ASA) weren't loosing millions $$$ every quarter either.

And "awful" PBS? Name a carrier with a better one. Please.
Just to clarify, you meant that PBS is superior to ASA's line bidding system, not XJT's.

By the way, that thing about losing millions, they broke it and then bought it. If you don't understand that then you don't know the history of what Skywest did.

Originally Posted by DENpilot View Post
Because they are junior to you! Your contract language just sucks too much that it allows this to happen. The more senior person should get more days off in this scenario or both should be on reserve and the trips dropped in open time for more senior line holders to trade for.

Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...
Jesus, If we had line bidding the last 10 percent of pilots would be on reserve. PBS takes all the trips that would normaly be dropped into opentime because of vacation or training. This gives several guys that would normaly be on reserve a schedule. If your schedule as a " line holder " would allow u to swap or pick up a trip in PBS opentime , u would already have it with PBS. The goal of any PBS system is to build as many schedules as possible and ideally have zero opentime, there by creating the least amount of reserve schedules as possible... It's not rocket science. So the guys who would be in the situation of having a " junior" pilot get a schedule because of vacation or training would have their ass on reserve any way. Find something else to complain about. ASA PBS WILL NOT AWARD A SCHEDULE TO SOMEONE JUNIOR TO U IF IT CAN COMPLETE A LEGAL SCHEDULE THAT GETS U TO THE MINIMUM CREDIT THRESHOLD!
That's a huge if.

By the way, if it's true that the bottom 10% would be on reserve, wouldn't that also be true then that the top 10% of FOs are not captains because of PBS? Seems to me that the answer is yes.

Lastly, no open time is NOT good!

Originally Posted by HVAA View Post
I agree. Open time is great for pilots, gives us choices.
With PBS if u bid properly u will get the trip on your schedule. Open time is great for pilot quality of life but requires the company to hire extra pilots to cover it. What r u willing to give up to cover the cost of a few extra reserve pilots?
Assuming you are senior enough to hold it right?

Personally, I'm not willing to give up ANYTHING. I would prefer to keep my contract instead.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy View Post
Yep, sure do. But you wouldn't have to take my word for it. You can contact your scheduling guys. Specifically the ones that are doing research/due dilligence into the various ways to bid/staff, the pros and cons of each system, seeing if maybe there's a better software out there, etc.

Wait, the CRJ NEVER had that, sorry, my bad.

But YES, the CRJ side runs the SAME, if not more pilots than the ERJ as far as percentage of reserves go. In fact, take a look at last December I believe it was on the -200 in ATL. Tell me what the reserve percentage was then? You really don't want to know.

And yes, relief pilots are line holders, they're not sitting around on reserve, are they?
We had a guy attempt to recall the ATL reps this spring who promised a big show when the meeting happened but wouldn't reveal his damaging evidence until the day of. Turns out he just wanted to whine about how poor the communication was-like we didn't already know that!!

Anyway, your proof is that one month out of twelve we had a higher percentage of reserves? And the one month you choose happens to be the one before the draw down from losing six aircraft where the company was playing with their staffing model to see what they could get away with?

It's fairly simple, if you have the numbers, show them. Otherwise, why are you wasting your time here when you're already convinced that no one wants to listen to you?
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:54 PM
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Anyway, your proof is that one month out of twelve we had a higher percentage of reserves? And the one month you choose happens to be the one before the draw down from losing six aircraft where the company was playing with their staffing model to see what they could get away with?

It's fairly simple, if you have the numbers, show them. Otherwise, why are you wasting your time here when you're already convinced that no one wants to listen to you?
Nope, you suck at reading. I SAID that most months they are the same/similar and that there's really not the efficiency gained by PBS that some believe. I just used December as an extreme example of how bad it can be.

Why are you wasting your time? Don't think anybody wants to listen to you either.

But sure, keep talking about how "great" PBS is. At least compared to the crappy line bid and work rules the CRJ had before.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:16 PM
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Got an interview offer for the 31st. Kinda nervous about that 60 question knowledge test. The study guide is very general but its all I have for now. Anyone know of any other good study material for it? Im just a regular old CFI with no jet experience. Any help would be gladly appreciated! Thanks!
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy View Post
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But YES, the CRJ side runs the SAME, if not more pilots than the ERJ as far as percentage of reserves go. In fact, take a look at last December I believe it was on the -200 in ATL.
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Nope, you suck at reading. I SAID that most months they are the same/similar and that there's really not the efficiency gained by PBS that some believe. I just used December as an extreme example of how bad it can be.
I suck at reading, huh? Seriously man, why do you have your panties in such a wad?

If you will listen carefully enough, most of us on the crj side will agree whole heartedly that your bidding work rules are very good for those who know how to work the system. Personally I would make out great using your work rules. But where a lot of other guys aren't biting on your work rules is they don't want to spend so much time swap/drop/trading to get what they want when they can get just as close when they actually bid.

The reserve 'discussion' isn't useful - the company saved money using PBS, just not as much as they originally expected. Looking at reserve levels is meaningless because the company is getting by with fewer pilots overall by making our monthly lines higher in value overall and more 'productive'. My contention with your statement was your 'if not more' proclamation. The big mistake the company now regrets is allowing vacation low. Before you disparage my fact checking, this is from the horse's mouth - SH 'director of aircraft ops'.

As for how 'great' our PBS is, the majority of the pilot group likes what we have although there are necessary tweaks that would make it better. With PBS the norm in our industry, how many pilot groups echo the CRJ sentiment?

Some of your work rules would work out nicely incorporated into PBS, but no one on the CRJ side wants relief lines to come back. Instead of getting paid for the occasional vacation/training trip drops, many of us would rather be paid a higher overall average. Instead of having to be at our computers at the precise time to trade for open time to make our schedules better, many of us would prefer that our original schedule were good in the first place.

I like your contract - I'd take it as is, with the minor addition that I want solid duty rigs. That said, PBS is industry standard now and I don't see a joint contract without it. Why not be proactive and try to shape it into something you want before it is forced by mediation or whatever?
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SiShane View Post
Got an interview offer for the 31st. Kinda nervous about that 60 question knowledge test. The study guide is very general but its all I have for now. Anyone know of any other good study material for it? Im just a regular old CFI with no jet experience. Any help would be gladly appreciated! Thanks!
I remember studying for the ATP written being very helpful. If you are a current CFI and feel like you could pass any FAA written, including the ATP, the you won't have a problem with the knowledge test. Good luck!
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by gtechpilot View Post
I remember studying for the ATP written being very helpful. If you are a current CFI and feel like you could pass any FAA written, including the ATP, the you won't have a problem with the knowledge test. Good luck!
I think the poster is talking about the new Delta computerized test used for interviews, which is way harder than the original ASA written test.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SiShane View Post
Got an interview offer for the 31st. Kinda nervous about that 60 question knowledge test. The study guide is very general but its all I have for now. Anyone know of any other good study material for it? Im just a regular old CFI with no jet experience. Any help would be gladly appreciated! Thanks!
Read all XJT, Compass and Delta gouges that have info about the test. Read everything explained for the professional pilot, pilot mental math and aerodynamics for naval aviators. I used those to pass the test twice now. Works like a charm
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Old 07-18-2012, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gtechpilot View Post
I suck at reading, huh? Seriously man, why do you have your panties in such a wad?

If you will listen carefully enough, most of us on the crj side will agree whole heartedly that your bidding work rules are very good for those who know how to work the system. Personally I would make out great using your work rules. But where a lot of other guys aren't biting on your work rules is they don't want to spend so much time swap/drop/trading to get what they want when they can get just as close when they actually bid.

The reserve 'discussion' isn't useful - the company saved money using PBS, just not as much as they originally expected. Looking at reserve levels is meaningless because the company is getting by with fewer pilots overall by making our monthly lines higher in value overall and more 'productive'. My contention with your statement was your 'if not more' proclamation. The big mistake the company now regrets is allowing vacation low. Before you disparage my fact checking, this is from the horse's mouth - SH 'director of aircraft ops'.

As for how 'great' our PBS is, the majority of the pilot group likes what we have although there are necessary tweaks that would make it better. With PBS the norm in our industry, how many pilot groups echo the CRJ sentiment?

Some of your work rules would work out nicely incorporated into PBS, but no one on the CRJ side wants relief lines to come back. Instead of getting paid for the occasional vacation/training trip drops, many of us would rather be paid a higher overall average. Instead of having to be at our computers at the precise time to trade for open time to make our schedules better, many of us would prefer that our original schedule were good in the first place.

I like your contract - I'd take it as is, with the minor addition that I want solid duty rigs. That said, PBS is industry
standard now and I don't see a joint contract without it. Why not be proactive and try to shape it into something you want before it is forced by mediation or whatever?
Nice post. It is actually refreshing to read something on here that is well thought out. I really don't think the two pilot groups are that far apart in most aspects but there is a vocal minority on each side that wants there to be a screaming match. There are people on each side with close minded agendas as well but I think cooler heads will prevail in the eventual TA.
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