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07-17-2012 | 01:47 AM
#521
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A huge problem with PBS at our company so far is that most pilots have only seen the results of it within 5% of their bidding status. You have no idea what it is like in my bidding status. Your posts are nearly as bad as the flight attendants who are all convinced if it doesn't work out your way you didn't bid correctly. I know exactly how to bid in my status.
07-17-2012 | 03:06 AM
#522
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From: 737 Left
I quoted you because your post was the most indepth. Several others have had the same leanings in their posts. So I ask you all. If I bid for upgrade and because of something built into the system it was awarded to a junior pilot and not myself, both of us being eligible, is that okay? I cannot understand how an industry built on seniority can allow any of this to happen. So hell ya I am concerned about what a junior pilot to me is awarded. But more so, I am concerned about what I am awarded. I want every junior pilot to have all the career progression they can possibly have. But our system dictates that I should get it first, as far as pilots on our seniority list. So therefore the PBS at our company should damn well honor seniority down to the lowest possible bidder.
If this really bothers you that much, maybe you should get involved with the union so you can do something about it.
07-17-2012 | 03:47 AM
#523
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Jesus, If we had line bidding the last 10 percent of pilots would be on reserve. PBS takes all the trips that would normaly be dropped into opentime because of vacation or training. This gives several guys that would normaly be on reserve a schedule. If your schedule as a " line holder " would allow u to swap or pick up a trip in PBS opentime , u would already have it with PBS. The goal of any PBS system is to build as many schedules as possible and ideally have zero opentime, there by creating the least amount of reserve schedules as possible... It's not rocket science. So the guys who would be in the situation of having a " junior" pilot get a schedule because of vacation or training would have their ass on reserve any way. Find something else to complain about. ASA PBS WILL NOT AWARD A SCHEDULE TO SOMEONE JUNIOR TO U IF IT CAN COMPLETE A LEGAL SCHEDULE THAT GETS U TO THE MINIMUM CREDIT THRESHOLD!
07-17-2012 | 04:40 AM
#524
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That's why you set your preferences in PBS so you get what you want (comutability, length of pairing, layover cities, ect) If you don't get what you want, your seniority couldn't hold it, the preferences set couldn't find a match, or there was some type of conflict with something already on your schedule, or you just bid wrong.
07-17-2012 | 05:33 AM
#525
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From: ATL
I want every junior pilot to have all the career progression they can possibly have. But our system dictates that I should get it first, as far as pilots on our seniority list. So therefore the PBS at our company should damn well honor seniority down to the lowest possible bidder.
You can argue against the award logic of PBS all day long. I don't disagree that it needs to be improved to reduce the impact of conflicts. But it sure as hell is not dishonoring seniority by awarding anything to anybody after your schedule has been completed. It simply looked at you first.
07-17-2012 | 05:39 AM
#526
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This thread is refreshing. If these are the best complaints we can come up with, things must not be all that bad.
07-17-2012 | 06:58 AM
#527
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And you have the numbers to back this up? Besides pointing to the -700/900 that the company is keeping overstaffed for some reason?
How do the numbers work out when you start to look at relief line holders? Or are they considered full line holders in your estimations?
How do the numbers work out when you start to look at relief line holders? Or are they considered full line holders in your estimations?
Wait, the CRJ NEVER had that, sorry, my bad.
But YES, the CRJ side runs the SAME, if not more pilots than the ERJ as far as percentage of reserves go. In fact, take a look at last December I believe it was on the -200 in ATL. Tell me what the reserve percentage was then? You really don't want to know.
And yes, relief pilots are line holders, they're not sitting around on reserve, are they?
07-17-2012 | 07:10 AM
#528
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From: Reserve on tha Beach
I get very good trips now. All of them very commutable. I just don't trust the company to do the right thing. I would be willing to test prefbid for a few months along side our line bid to see how we like it and what we coulda had.
07-17-2012 | 09:13 AM
#530
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I give up. My logic doesn't work here.
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