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#521
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 19
IAD 4
ATL 10
I have no idea what is to be expected for the distribution of the next class.
All the "visitors" to the class have cited attrition as the reason for hiring.
#522
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Because they are junior to you! Your contract language just sucks too much that it allows this to happen. The more senior person should get more days off in this scenario or both should be on reserve and the trips dropped in open time for more senior line holders to trade for.
Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...
Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...
And "awful" PBS? Name a carrier with a better one. Please.
By the way, that thing about losing millions, they broke it and then bought it. If you don't understand that then you don't know the history of what Skywest did.
Because they are junior to you! Your contract language just sucks too much that it allows this to happen. The more senior person should get more days off in this scenario or both should be on reserve and the trips dropped in open time for more senior line holders to trade for.
Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...
Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...
By the way, if it's true that the bottom 10% would be on reserve, wouldn't that also be true then that the top 10% of FOs are not captains because of PBS? Seems to me that the answer is yes.
Lastly, no open time is NOT good!
With PBS if u bid properly u will get the trip on your schedule. Open time is great for pilot quality of life but requires the company to hire extra pilots to cover it. What r u willing to give up to cover the cost of a few extra reserve pilots?
Personally, I'm not willing to give up ANYTHING. I would prefer to keep my contract instead.
#523
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 326
Yep, sure do. But you wouldn't have to take my word for it. You can contact your scheduling guys. Specifically the ones that are doing research/due dilligence into the various ways to bid/staff, the pros and cons of each system, seeing if maybe there's a better software out there, etc.
Wait, the CRJ NEVER had that, sorry, my bad.
But YES, the CRJ side runs the SAME, if not more pilots than the ERJ as far as percentage of reserves go. In fact, take a look at last December I believe it was on the -200 in ATL. Tell me what the reserve percentage was then? You really don't want to know.
And yes, relief pilots are line holders, they're not sitting around on reserve, are they?
Wait, the CRJ NEVER had that, sorry, my bad.
But YES, the CRJ side runs the SAME, if not more pilots than the ERJ as far as percentage of reserves go. In fact, take a look at last December I believe it was on the -200 in ATL. Tell me what the reserve percentage was then? You really don't want to know.
And yes, relief pilots are line holders, they're not sitting around on reserve, are they?
Anyway, your proof is that one month out of twelve we had a higher percentage of reserves? And the one month you choose happens to be the one before the draw down from losing six aircraft where the company was playing with their staffing model to see what they could get away with?
It's fairly simple, if you have the numbers, show them. Otherwise, why are you wasting your time here when you're already convinced that no one wants to listen to you?
#524
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,134
Anyway, your proof is that one month out of twelve we had a higher percentage of reserves? And the one month you choose happens to be the one before the draw down from losing six aircraft where the company was playing with their staffing model to see what they could get away with?
It's fairly simple, if you have the numbers, show them. Otherwise, why are you wasting your time here when you're already convinced that no one wants to listen to you?
It's fairly simple, if you have the numbers, show them. Otherwise, why are you wasting your time here when you're already convinced that no one wants to listen to you?
Why are you wasting your time? Don't think anybody wants to listen to you either.
But sure, keep talking about how "great" PBS is. At least compared to the crappy line bid and work rules the CRJ had before.
#525
Got an interview offer for the 31st. Kinda nervous about that 60 question knowledge test. The study guide is very general but its all I have for now. Anyone know of any other good study material for it? Im just a regular old CFI with no jet experience. Any help would be gladly appreciated! Thanks!
#526
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 326
If you will listen carefully enough, most of us on the crj side will agree whole heartedly that your bidding work rules are very good for those who know how to work the system. Personally I would make out great using your work rules. But where a lot of other guys aren't biting on your work rules is they don't want to spend so much time swap/drop/trading to get what they want when they can get just as close when they actually bid.
The reserve 'discussion' isn't useful - the company saved money using PBS, just not as much as they originally expected. Looking at reserve levels is meaningless because the company is getting by with fewer pilots overall by making our monthly lines higher in value overall and more 'productive'. My contention with your statement was your 'if not more' proclamation. The big mistake the company now regrets is allowing vacation low. Before you disparage my fact checking, this is from the horse's mouth - SH 'director of aircraft ops'.
As for how 'great' our PBS is, the majority of the pilot group likes what we have although there are necessary tweaks that would make it better. With PBS the norm in our industry, how many pilot groups echo the CRJ sentiment?
Some of your work rules would work out nicely incorporated into PBS, but no one on the CRJ side wants relief lines to come back. Instead of getting paid for the occasional vacation/training trip drops, many of us would rather be paid a higher overall average. Instead of having to be at our computers at the precise time to trade for open time to make our schedules better, many of us would prefer that our original schedule were good in the first place.
I like your contract - I'd take it as is, with the minor addition that I want solid duty rigs. That said, PBS is industry standard now and I don't see a joint contract without it. Why not be proactive and try to shape it into something you want before it is forced by mediation or whatever?
#527
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 326
Got an interview offer for the 31st. Kinda nervous about that 60 question knowledge test. The study guide is very general but its all I have for now. Anyone know of any other good study material for it? Im just a regular old CFI with no jet experience. Any help would be gladly appreciated! Thanks!
#528
I think the poster is talking about the new Delta computerized test used for interviews, which is way harder than the original ASA written test.
#529
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Position: AN124 FE
Posts: 1,226
Got an interview offer for the 31st. Kinda nervous about that 60 question knowledge test. The study guide is very general but its all I have for now. Anyone know of any other good study material for it? Im just a regular old CFI with no jet experience. Any help would be gladly appreciated! Thanks!
#530
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: e190
Posts: 929
I suck at reading, huh? Seriously man, why do you have your panties in such a wad?
If you will listen carefully enough, most of us on the crj side will agree whole heartedly that your bidding work rules are very good for those who know how to work the system. Personally I would make out great using your work rules. But where a lot of other guys aren't biting on your work rules is they don't want to spend so much time swap/drop/trading to get what they want when they can get just as close when they actually bid.
The reserve 'discussion' isn't useful - the company saved money using PBS, just not as much as they originally expected. Looking at reserve levels is meaningless because the company is getting by with fewer pilots overall by making our monthly lines higher in value overall and more 'productive'. My contention with your statement was your 'if not more' proclamation. The big mistake the company now regrets is allowing vacation low. Before you disparage my fact checking, this is from the horse's mouth - SH 'director of aircraft ops'.
As for how 'great' our PBS is, the majority of the pilot group likes what we have although there are necessary tweaks that would make it better. With PBS the norm in our industry, how many pilot groups echo the CRJ sentiment?
Some of your work rules would work out nicely incorporated into PBS, but no one on the CRJ side wants relief lines to come back. Instead of getting paid for the occasional vacation/training trip drops, many of us would rather be paid a higher overall average. Instead of having to be at our computers at the precise time to trade for open time to make our schedules better, many of us would prefer that our original schedule were good in the first place.
I like your contract - I'd take it as is, with the minor addition that I want solid duty rigs. That said, PBS is industry
standard now and I don't see a joint contract without it. Why not be proactive and try to shape it into something you want before it is forced by mediation or whatever?
If you will listen carefully enough, most of us on the crj side will agree whole heartedly that your bidding work rules are very good for those who know how to work the system. Personally I would make out great using your work rules. But where a lot of other guys aren't biting on your work rules is they don't want to spend so much time swap/drop/trading to get what they want when they can get just as close when they actually bid.
The reserve 'discussion' isn't useful - the company saved money using PBS, just not as much as they originally expected. Looking at reserve levels is meaningless because the company is getting by with fewer pilots overall by making our monthly lines higher in value overall and more 'productive'. My contention with your statement was your 'if not more' proclamation. The big mistake the company now regrets is allowing vacation low. Before you disparage my fact checking, this is from the horse's mouth - SH 'director of aircraft ops'.
As for how 'great' our PBS is, the majority of the pilot group likes what we have although there are necessary tweaks that would make it better. With PBS the norm in our industry, how many pilot groups echo the CRJ sentiment?
Some of your work rules would work out nicely incorporated into PBS, but no one on the CRJ side wants relief lines to come back. Instead of getting paid for the occasional vacation/training trip drops, many of us would rather be paid a higher overall average. Instead of having to be at our computers at the precise time to trade for open time to make our schedules better, many of us would prefer that our original schedule were good in the first place.
I like your contract - I'd take it as is, with the minor addition that I want solid duty rigs. That said, PBS is industry
standard now and I don't see a joint contract without it. Why not be proactive and try to shape it into something you want before it is forced by mediation or whatever?
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