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Old 07-18-2012 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SiShane
Got an interview offer for the 31st. Kinda nervous about that 60 question knowledge test. The study guide is very general but its all I have for now. Anyone know of any other good study material for it? Im just a regular old CFI with no jet experience. Any help would be gladly appreciated! Thanks!
Read all XJT, Compass and Delta gouges that have info about the test. Read everything explained for the professional pilot, pilot mental math and aerodynamics for naval aviators. I used those to pass the test twice now. Works like a charm
Old 07-18-2012 | 05:08 AM
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I suck at reading, huh? Seriously man, why do you have your panties in such a wad?

If you will listen carefully enough, most of us on the crj side will agree whole heartedly that your bidding work rules are very good for those who know how to work the system. Personally I would make out great using your work rules. But where a lot of other guys aren't biting on your work rules is they don't want to spend so much time swap/drop/trading to get what they want when they can get just as close when they actually bid.

The reserve 'discussion' isn't useful - the company saved money using PBS, just not as much as they originally expected. Looking at reserve levels is meaningless because the company is getting by with fewer pilots overall by making our monthly lines higher in value overall and more 'productive'. My contention with your statement was your 'if not more' proclamation. The big mistake the company now regrets is allowing vacation low. Before you disparage my fact checking, this is from the horse's mouth - SH 'director of aircraft ops'.

As for how 'great' our PBS is, the majority of the pilot group likes what we have although there are necessary tweaks that would make it better. With PBS the norm in our industry, how many pilot groups echo the CRJ sentiment?

Some of your work rules would work out nicely incorporated into PBS, but no one on the CRJ side wants relief lines to come back. Instead of getting paid for the occasional vacation/training trip drops, many of us would rather be paid a higher overall average. Instead of having to be at our computers at the precise time to trade for open time to make our schedules better, many of us would prefer that our original schedule were good in the first place.

I like your contract - I'd take it as is, with the minor addition that I want solid duty rigs. That said, PBS is industry
standard now and I don't see a joint contract without it. Why not be proactive and try to shape it into something you want before it is forced by mediation or whatever?
Nice post. It is actually refreshing to read something on here that is well thought out. I really don't think the two pilot groups are that far apart in most aspects but there is a vocal minority on each side that wants there to be a screaming match. There are people on each side with close minded agendas as well but I think cooler heads will prevail in the eventual TA.
Old 07-18-2012 | 07:43 AM
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lets just imagine if every pilot actually voted.. If every xjt pilot voted NO and every asa pilot voted yes, Does that mean asa would get stuck with xjt's line bidding?
Old 07-18-2012 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by supersix-4
lets just imagine if every pilot actually voted.. If every xjt pilot voted NO and every asa pilot voted yes, Does that mean asa would get stuck with xjt's line bidding?
No, it would mean both sides keep operating under their current contract until another one is presented to the pilot groups for a vote.
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If you will listen carefully enough, most of us on the crj side will agree whole heartedly that your bidding work rules are very good for those who know how to work the system. Personally I would make out great using your work rules. But where a lot of other guys aren't biting on your work rules is they don't want to spend so much time swap/drop/trading to get what they want when they can get just as close when they actually bid.
First off - Work the system? For XJT Bidding you look at what line you want, type in to a box and hit 'Submit'. Awarded in seniority order. Most of us at XJT feel that PBS is very fragile and sensitive when trying to get a decent line, and besides PBS could be the absolute best system out there - I'm not disagreeing one way or another - But from a technology standpoint most guys on the XJT side do not feel the company can successfully pull it off. IT-wise we've had so many failures in the past number of years, that if they want PBS they need a HUGE upgrade on the IT side.

With PBS the norm in our industry, how many pilot groups echo the CRJ sentiment?
I hate this statement. Might as well say "Well guys, everyone else has it so we need it too. Gotta be cost competitive."
Old 07-18-2012 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PBSG

I hate this statement. Might as well say "Well guys, everyone else has it so we need it too. Gotta be cost competitive."
Agreed.

I have also hated that argument for anything.
Old 07-18-2012 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Loudoun
The 7/9 class was awarded bases today.
IAD 4
ATL 10

I have no idea what is to be expected for the distribution of the next class.


All the "visitors" to the class have cited attrition as the reason for hiring.
Seems kind of odd that they would be hiring for the 700/900 ATL when they are also offering time off without pay. Especially when everyone on the aircraft keeps going backwards. 4.5-5 years on reserve is killing the guys on the bottom of list. I think they see it getting worse. Attrition has evolved to be more of a flow out of the bottom rather than the top.

These guys have a lot to look forward to. Wonder what they are telling them this time.
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Who said they were going to the 700/900?
Old 07-18-2012 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Seems kind of odd that they would be hiring for the 700/900 ATL when they are also offering time off without pay. Especially when everyone on the aircraft keeps going backwards. 4.5-5 years on reserve is killing the guys on the bottom of list. I think they see it getting worse. Attrition has evolved to be more of a flow out of the bottom rather than the top.

These guys have a lot to look forward to. Wonder what they are telling them this time.
Was he refering to the July 9th class (7/9)...not 700/900?
Old 07-18-2012 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PBSG
First off - Work the system? For XJT Bidding you look at what line you want, type in to a box and hit 'Submit'. Awarded in seniority order. Most of us at XJT feel that PBS is very fragile and sensitive when trying to get a decent line, and besides PBS could be the absolute best system out there - I'm not disagreeing one way or another - But from a technology standpoint most guys on the XJT side do not feel the company can successfully pull it off. IT-wise we've had so many failures in the past number of years, that if they want PBS they need a HUGE upgrade on the IT side.



I hate this statement. Might as well say "Well guys, everyone else has it so we need it too. Gotta be cost competitive."
Please understand that one of the biggest work rule comparison that I have heard pushed is the trading of initial open time, after the bids are awarded but before relief lines are built. Several erj pilots have stated that they wait for the moment that open time is available so that they can switch out whatever they don't like in their schedule for the good trips that were dropped by senior pilots because of conflicts.

It's really no different here, our open time becomes free for all on the 1st of the month and I 'work the system' so to speak to get my weekends off.

As for IT, I definitely echo your concerns. The -200 FOs have had multiple issues with getting our schedules on time and the frequency of reserve errors and subsequent grievances is way too high. That said, Skywest IT seems to get things fixed fairly quickly and might make a smooth transition for you if it comes to that.

As for my last statement, I think context is important - what happens if the company demands PBS and the pilot group says absolutely not. How will it look to the NTSB or a mediator if PBS is industry standard but we refuse?
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