I am pretty sure Delta has had 900 pay rates for awhile now.

 

I don't see it that way. Vacation low will still be an option. Lets say the window is set at 75-105, with a 85 TLV. I'll lay out the few scenarios here:

• You bid vacation low, so the window bottom is 65, with 75 TLV. It will still try to build you into that window. No change.
• If you cannot build a line up to those hours, then you can have it award you a hybrid line with a few reserve days.
• Or, you can have it award a straight reserve line.

There are no changes at all, other than even more junior people could hold a partial line instead of no line at all with vacation and vacation low.

 

It didn't come out "so quick". They have been working on this since sometime in early to mid summer. So 5 months or so.

 

+1 agreed to this. It has been in the works for a while. They finally found some common ground and agreed on something. I view it as we do gain quite a bit voting this in. The company benefits because they have captains trained and the training pipeline isn't full of upgrades when/if we get some flying.

The contract extension may provide some much needed stability to gain flying. Puts Union and co at ease for another year. Also, allows us to inform mainline that our labor disputes are settled for a while. I've had quite the concerns for hope of more flying or replacement flying. I believe this is something worth while. Much better than contract 2014 TA.

View it how you may, but improvements almost all across the board. I know it sucks for the new upgrades that they may be right seat some, but it's all at captain pay. Otherwise, they most likely won't see upgrade for a vey long time

 

That is just my point. Loa came out very fast after the announcement that we were moving away from jcba, but what about the individual contract extensions? What was so important that they needed this right now when I have been hearing that we will have a contract (extension) by Christmas? Somebody fill me in please.

 

"Point is, listen to what the reps say, educate yourself on the language, and make an educated decision, rather then saying it's just a turd."

The same reps in the crew lounge trying to sell this turd are mostly the same reps who tried to sell a failed T/A 2 years ago.

Does anybody really think after deliberately building up the captain staffing, (and ASA is overstaffed on capts. presently), that they would turn around and displace said capts.? Then they never should have built up the captain staffing if there wasn't addition; flying coming.

One additional year to get "stability"? LOL

The sky is falling innuendo coming from an MEC run by full timers who hardly ever fly the line and make 6 hours per day.

 

There are a few problems with your scenarios:
First, "vacation low" bidders are prohibited from holding a hybrid line.
Second, the few remaining trips that may have gone to a junior vacation low bidder, will go to a more senior hybrid line-awardee.
You may say that this respects seniority, and it does in a way, but vacation low gives a pilot a few months of reprieve from a full year of reserve hell.

 

The wording is convoluted. It looks like you cannot get paid min guarantee if you set your window below 75 and PBS awards a line valued at less than 75. The hybrid line is going to take QOL away from some people on the line between reserve and lineholder.

 

I missed the section on where it says you cannot big vacation low with a hybrid line. That was my fault as I've been on a trip the last 3 days since the e-mail came out, and only had a chance to review it on my phone and not a computer. Never had a chance on a computer with about 10 schedule changes.

What section are you looking at? Is it the add pay section?

 

As far as pay, yes, I think it was the add pay section. Don't have it in front of me.

As for the QOL, I see the company adding reserve days to anyone whose schedule is awarded below 75 hours. In other words, if your schedule would have awarded you 68 hours, then today you get paid for 75 with extra time off. In the future you will get awarded 68 plus 2 days of reserve.