Thanks for the info rock. I have a few thousand hours of TPIC time. I've been over on ExpressJet forums. Seems more slanted toward the goings on at the ERJ side versus CRJ side. I'll scout around there for more info, again thanks for the inputs.

 

Love how everyone bags SkyWest's "agreement" but they have never grossly violated it. Ya small dump trivial things that get resolved.. but the fact is SkyWest pilots earn or have earned top pay, and work rules.. I wouldn't stay away from them just because they are not ALPA.. plus they have more then the Delta 175's coming. They have the 18 UA and 9 Alaska 175's still to come.. Not to mention the 200's they keep painting into Delta colors...... XJT is good but go there with the intention of being at LASA in 3-5 years.... not what is formally known as XJT..

 

Airline managers love scabs

 

You gotta be kidding. Tons of cases where pilots have been reprimanded/fired since no protection because of no union.
Don't work for them if you care about your career

e.g.
An administrative law judge has ordered SkyWest Airlines to rehire a veteran pilot who said the company fired him illegally for declaring himself ...

Utah Local News - Salt Lake City News, Sports, Archive - The Salt Lake Tribune

first officer of SkyWest Airlines is suing the airline, claiming he was fired for whistleblowing about unsafe training practices


Pilot is suing, says SkyWest fired him for whistleblowing | Deseret News

 

That was one odd ball case. Every airline has that.. If SKW realy truly was bad. 100 a month wouldnt be going there and the senior guys would bail.. Fact is ASA will be a good place to be.. XJT will take the brunt of the stagnation..

 

Do you have a document that was produced by the Company that states this OR are these the words of your MEC Chairman?

 

Yeah rrrright; and every regional has 100's of senior guys that don't want to move on.

To quote a post on this very forum from a while ago "Skywest had fired more pilots in two years than all other Alpa regional carriers combined. Hey don't take my word for it. Email Russ J, the SAPA rep in charge of disciplinary action at Skywest. He has the facts and the statistics. This is not made up and there is no reason to speculate. Just ask him. http://www.sapapilot.org/"

 

You make a really good point. Because all the other crappy regionals out there are having a hard time getting people to walk into the door. Oh actually, despite have the worst CEO and management/pilot relationship, there are still guys here on the forum asking about reserve time and bases for Republic. Plus a new guy would be the last person I would ask about how bad a company is. They have no idea.

And how senior do guys have to be before you will say senior guys are bailing? Top 16%?? Lost one of them a week or so ago. Probably been here 14 years. Lost a couple 10 year folks as well. Also a guy that was in the top 300 and probably had 17 years or so here.

Since we are losing about 20 Captains per month, does that count as senior guys bailing?

 

Just to clarify, the email said that management's INTENT was to extend the aircraft. Of course management would be happy to extend all the aircraft we used to have as well if only they could convince UAL to pay more for them then they would by sending them to TSA and Commutair instead.



Just some things to point out from the more pessimistic point of view: I would love to tell people to come here. But I can't in good conscience do it. So I want to point out the other side on a few things you mentioned.

First, this LOA. On the ERJ side, there is no restriction whatsoever for captains to fly as FOs, except that they get paid their captain rate. Management has been saying for almost a year that they will upgrade more FOs in order to artificially decrease upgrade times. Do you remember they said they would upgrade 20 pilots a month? Well, on the ERJ side, the last bid award came out and upgrade time has increased to almost 9 years!

Second, as for our good performance (good performance on the ERJ was the norm before being bought by Skywest by the way) has not paid off. And when seeing that operators like Commutair and RAH, which has recently had 95% CCF, and Mesa, which historically had bad performance, get more flying, I wouldn't put too much faith in that line from management.

Lastly, as for possibility getting separate contract extensions (which is not good to begin with) in order to define our costs and put to rest the supposed unease of mainline partners, when you look at all the regionals who have recently gained flying WITHOUT the help of a new contract defining their future costs (Mesa, RAH, TSA, Commutair, awac), I wouldn't put too much faith in that management line either.

Do I think it's possible that all the things you mentioned will happen? Sure, there is always a chance that for the first time since Skywest bought xjt, everything will start to fall in our favor. And I hope it does. But I wouldn't be that optimistic considering what management has/hasn't done in the past.




Their work rules are not that good compared to xjt's contract. It would be a huge concession if we went to their pay and work rules. And they only get what they get because they ride the coat tails of other union pilot groups. Their management only gives them enough to keep them non-union. Most of them don't know how much more they have to work to make the same as us.



These are cases in which the pilot was able to finance his own defense. Skywest had to pay him back tens of thousands just in legal costs. The ones who cannot afford to pay their own legal fees, just take it. I have friends there that have told me of stories of intimidation and harassment from their Cheif pilots if you don't tow the line (call in sick too much, can't make your commute more than once, question safety, question reason for being bypassed for upgrade, those are off the top of my head).


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Just to clarify, the email said that management's INTENT was to extend the aircraft. Of course management would be happy to extend all the aircraft we used to have as well if only they could convince UAL to pay more for them then they would by sending them to TSA and Commutair instead.



Just some things to point out from the more pessimistic point of view: I would love to tell people to come here. But I can't in good conscience do it. So I want to point out the other side on a few things you mentioned.

First, this LOA. On the ERJ side, there is no restriction whatsoever for captains to fly as FOs, except that they get paid their captain rate. Management has been saying for almost a year that they will upgrade more FOs in order to artificially decrease upgrade times. Do you remember they said they would upgrade 20 pilots a month? Well, on the ERJ side, the last bid award came out and upgrade time has increased to almost 9 years!

Second, as for our good performance (good performance on the ERJ was the norm before being bought by Skywest by the way) has not paid off. And when seeing that operators like Commutair and RAH, which has recently had 95% CCF, and Mesa, which historically had bad performance, get more flying, I wouldn't put too much faith in that line from management.

Lastly, as for possibility getting separate contract extensions (which is not good to begin with) in order to define our costs and put to rest the supposed unease of mainline partners, when you look at all the regionals who have recently gained flying WITHOUT the help of a new contract defining their future costs (Mesa, RAH, TSA, Commutair, awac), I wouldn't put too much faith in that management line either.

Do I think it's possible that all the things you mentioned will happen? Sure, there is always a chance that for the first time since Skywest bought xjt, everything will start to fall in our favor. And I hope it does. But I wouldn't be that optimistic considering what management has/hasn't done in the past.




Their work rules are not that good compared to xjt's contract. It would be a huge concession if we went to their pay and work rules. And they only get what they get because they ride the coat tails of other union pilot groups. Their management only gives them enough to keep them non-union. Most of them don't know how much more they have to work to make the same as us.



These are cases in which the pilot was able to finance his own defense. Skywest had to pay him back tens of thousands just in legal costs. The ones who cannot afford to pay their own legal fees, just take it. I have friends there that have told me of stories of intimidation and harassment from their Cheif pilots if you don't tow the line (call in sick too much, can't make your commute more than once, question safety, question reason for being bypassed for upgrade, those are off the top of my head).


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