What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
07-20-2012, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT
It seems that the rumors of a TA being around the corner have diminished. What is everyone else hearing?
07-20-2012, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
My personal opinion is that it is going to be a long time. If you were on the ERJ side what motivation would you have for a TA that is anything less than what you already have? Considering the differences in the contracts I just don't see the company giving in and bringing the CRJ side up to the ERJ side.
07-20-2012, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigshooter107
Heard from ALPA that things very moving quickly until the pay section, now things have slowed as the company is waiting to see where the delta TA puts us as well as United and American..
07-20-2012, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
Well that would make sense. It is easy to agree on things until anything with $s comes into the conversation...... Skywest Incs earnings call I think is scheduled for the 8th of August.
07-20-2012, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalamazoo
If they show even a modest profit for the second quarter it will be hard for them to cry broke when we still haven't seen the full efficiencies of the merger.
07-20-2012, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
Oh I agree. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks they wanted a TA before the 2nd Q earnings report.
07-20-2012, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy
This one is my favorite. What happened when the ERJ and the CRJ MEC met to discuss this? It's been beat to death here, and else where. Let's see, the ERJ MEC did research on flightline, and other systems. It was determined that flightline WOULDN'T work with the ERJ CBA, it just won't. But the CRJ MEC wasn't at all interested in exploring other systems. The CRJ MEC's mentality was bascially "F you we expect you guys to inherit our PBS, no questions. Too bad so sad". And please, spare me the "we bought you" argument if that's the best you can do.
And one of mine is the douche XE Line Pilot that knows everything about nothing. The research was done before you were bought.
Your MEC, cry babies. Mcpickle stuck it to you good. Tells you he's not looking at PBS. You will never give up Line Bidding. OPPPS, and who was cutting the deals behind the doors? Oh yeah McPickle. It wasn't hard to figure that one out by all the posts on the crackpipe for the last year.
You see you guys think you know everything. You've had 1 ALPA contract that was extended once and 2 other short term contracts that the CAL pilots did most of the work when you were under their union in the late 90s.
XE and the GM/UAW have gone down the same path. Both management teams gave, gave and gave some more until your costs could no longer be support by the market prices. Once you became an independent airline no longer getting that % profit margin over cost you came into the world of the sub contractor. Life is different. Ask every other guy/gal that flys and what it's like to be squeezed.
07-20-2012, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by drrhythm2
Agreed. I'm honestly getting a little sick of this whole thread turning into a your PBS vs our Line bidding debate. That's been discussed ad nauseam on the pipe and I'm at the point where I just don't care to hear any more about it. I mean, feel free to continue debating but you are certainly not changing each other's minds.
I'd much rather look forward to what we can do together. I went to the ERJ side about 8 months ago hoping that within 2 years I could be based in Atlanta where I live. Now, what looked like a sure thing to have a TA by the end of the year has turned into a "all parties are stepping back to re-evaluate" kind of situation. I'm just worried I'm going to be stuck commuting forever.
Anyway, continue if you must, but maybe there are more constructive things we can discuss.
I'd much rather look forward to what we can do together. I went to the ERJ side about 8 months ago hoping that within 2 years I could be based in Atlanta where I live. Now, what looked like a sure thing to have a TA by the end of the year has turned into a "all parties are stepping back to re-evaluate" kind of situation. I'm just worried I'm going to be stuck commuting forever.
Anyway, continue if you must, but maybe there are more constructive things we can discuss.
and too bad there are too many of us who think they are at mainline and deserve an industry leading contract...
Economies of scale...
07-20-2012, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Industry leading? If we truly get an industry leading contract, it will be nothing to brag about. I know that we get a contract we agree to but what is wrong with wanting an industry leading contract when even that would be less than what we deserve?
Economies of scale...
Economies of scale...
You can brag all you want about having an industry leading contract and it will not get you much more than bragging rights. Your always going to be on the RAAs hit list.
07-20-2012, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo
Nothing is wrong but you have to ask yourself what does it get you. You can brag on web board...we have an industry leading contract. So what. At the end of the day it's a marathon, not a race. Look at Air Wis. in the late 80s, early 90s. Industry leading and what do they look like today? Comair, leading in the 90s and what has happened to them. ACA, created by expanding Westair to the east coast in the 90s and where are they today.
You can brag all you want about having an industry leading contract and it will not get you much more than bragging rights. Your always going to be on the RAAs hit list.
You can brag all you want about having an industry leading contract and it will not get you much more than bragging rights. Your always going to be on the RAAs hit list.
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