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Old 07-20-2012 | 06:13 AM
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Ok. I agree. Once we are one big happy family and those metrics come into play, if we take a big or moderate raise, won't that off-set our advantage from ecomies of scale? Once again, I'm trying to play devils advocate.

I'm about 99% sure the reason XJET was purchased and merged with ASA was to see those efficiencies.
You have to consider how the industry is reshaping itself right before our eyes. A handful of companies have remade themselves for the next chapter of the Regional saga. Contractual gains and how they will impact the new economics will have to be negotiated for the benefit of both the pilot group and management. Some on here are arguing that today's rates be the starting point for negotiations, which is absurd. Quite a few people predicted what is happening today with regional consolidation, as the smaller companies simply couldn't realize the cost metrics they had won (underbid) their contracts with. The remaining companies will have the leverage to negotiate better contractual terms with their mainline partners.
Old 07-20-2012 | 06:25 AM
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It seems that the rumors of a TA being around the corner have diminished. What is everyone else hearing?
Old 07-20-2012 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT
It seems that the rumors of a TA being around the corner have diminished. What is everyone else hearing?
My personal opinion is that it is going to be a long time. If you were on the ERJ side what motivation would you have for a TA that is anything less than what you already have? Considering the differences in the contracts I just don't see the company giving in and bringing the CRJ side up to the ERJ side.
Old 07-20-2012 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
My personal opinion is that it is going to be a long time. If you were on the ERJ side what motivation would you have for a TA that is anything less than what you already have? Considering the differences in the contracts I just don't see the company giving in and bringing the CRJ side up to the ERJ side.
Heard from ALPA that things very moving quickly until the pay section, now things have slowed as the company is waiting to see where the delta TA puts us as well as United and American..
Old 07-20-2012 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigshooter107
Heard from ALPA that things very moving quickly until the pay section, now things have slowed as the company is waiting to see where the delta TA puts us as well as United and American..
Well that would make sense. It is easy to agree on things until anything with $s comes into the conversation...... Skywest Incs earnings call I think is scheduled for the 8th of August.
Old 07-20-2012 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
Well that would make sense. It is easy to agree on things until anything with $s comes into the conversation...... Skywest Incs earnings call I think is scheduled for the 8th of August.
If they show even a modest profit for the second quarter it will be hard for them to cry broke when we still haven't seen the full efficiencies of the merger.
Old 07-20-2012 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalamazoo
If they show even a modest profit for the second quarter it will be hard for them to cry broke when we still haven't seen the full efficiencies of the merger.
Oh I agree. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks they wanted a TA before the 2nd Q earnings report.
Old 07-20-2012 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
Oh I agree. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks they wanted a TA before the 2nd Q earnings report.
I agree and I think that's about the time they pulled SH as the last ditch effort to accomplish it by then. Clearly that didn't happen and it won't happen for this next quarter either.
Old 07-20-2012 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by xjtguy
This one is my favorite. What happened when the ERJ and the CRJ MEC met to discuss this? It's been beat to death here, and else where. Let's see, the ERJ MEC did research on flightline, and other systems. It was determined that flightline WOULDN'T work with the ERJ CBA, it just won't. But the CRJ MEC wasn't at all interested in exploring other systems. The CRJ MEC's mentality was bascially "F you we expect you guys to inherit our PBS, no questions. Too bad so sad". And please, spare me the "we bought you" argument if that's the best you can do.

And one of mine is the douche XE Line Pilot that knows everything about nothing. The research was done before you were bought.

Your MEC, cry babies. Mcpickle stuck it to you good. Tells you he's not looking at PBS. You will never give up Line Bidding. OPPPS, and who was cutting the deals behind the doors? Oh yeah McPickle. It wasn't hard to figure that one out by all the posts on the crackpipe for the last year.

You see you guys think you know everything. You've had 1 ALPA contract that was extended once and 2 other short term contracts that the CAL pilots did most of the work when you were under their union in the late 90s.

XE and the GM/UAW have gone down the same path. Both management teams gave, gave and gave some more until your costs could no longer be support by the market prices. Once you became an independent airline no longer getting that % profit margin over cost you came into the world of the sub contractor. Life is different. Ask every other guy/gal that flys and what it's like to be squeezed.
Old 07-20-2012 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by drrhythm2
Agreed. I'm honestly getting a little sick of this whole thread turning into a your PBS vs our Line bidding debate. That's been discussed ad nauseam on the pipe and I'm at the point where I just don't care to hear any more about it. I mean, feel free to continue debating but you are certainly not changing each other's minds.

I'd much rather look forward to what we can do together. I went to the ERJ side about 8 months ago hoping that within 2 years I could be based in Atlanta where I live. Now, what looked like a sure thing to have a TA by the end of the year has turned into a "all parties are stepping back to re-evaluate" kind of situation. I'm just worried I'm going to be stuck commuting forever.

Anyway, continue if you must, but maybe there are more constructive things we can discuss.
... and too bad there are too many of us who think they are at mainline and deserve an industry leading contract...
Industry leading? If we truly get an industry leading contract, it will be nothing to brag about. I know that we get a contract we agree to but what is wrong with wanting an industry leading contract when even that would be less than what we deserve?

Economies of scale...
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