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Old 11-10-2012 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo
Actually, we did the first MOU to help your pilots out and we asked for nothing in return. That was not the case when we asked for the same. The only way your MEC would sign off is with something in return. We ended up not needing the MOU.
What did they ask for in return? If I recall the MOU was agreed upon and signed.
Old 11-11-2012 | 03:25 AM
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What did they ask for in return? If I recall the MOU was agreed upon and signed.
There has only been one MOU. The reason from what I was told was unrelated to the MOU.
Old 11-11-2012 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo
There has only been one MOU. The reason from what I was told was unrelated to the MOU.
Huh? Whatchootalkin'bout?
Old 11-11-2012 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo
There has only been one MOU. The reason from what I was told was unrelated to the MOU.
Incorrect. MOU 18 was dealing with XJT furloughs getting hired at ASA. MOU 24 is the hiring of ASA furloughs if they were needed. MOU 24 was signed in November of 2011.

Are you reading this Captain Tony? We reciprocated the exact same thing so stop trying to drive a wedge in between the pilot groups. Try dealing with FACTS instead of rumors from a JNC that can't tell anyone what is going on behind closed doors.
Old 11-11-2012 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo
There has only been one MOU. The reason from what I was told was unrelated to the MOU.
I wonder if the same person that told you that also tells people that ERJ pilots can make 300k a year?
Old 11-11-2012 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by BelowMins
Incorrect. MOU 18 was dealing with XJT furloughs getting hired at ASA. MOU 24 is the hiring of ASA furloughs if they were needed. MOU 24 was signed in November of 2011.

Are you reading this Captain Tony? We reciprocated the exact same thing so stop trying to drive a wedge in between the pilot groups. Try dealing with FACTS instead of rumors from a JNC that can't tell anyone what is going on behind closed doors.
Thanks for clearing that up but it still remains that your MEC wanted something from us in return for signing MOU 24 when our MEC did it straight up, no strings tied.
Old 11-11-2012 | 09:27 AM
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Now that that is out of the way, in the recent jetstream CT mentioned another vacancy bid early next year. The question I and the people I have talked with have is for what? I was under the impression that this recent bid was for the 12 coming 900s. Am I missing something or did he let the cat out of the bag on something?
Old 11-11-2012 | 09:49 AM
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Are you reading this Captain Tony? We reciprocated the exact same thing so stop trying to drive a wedge in between the pilot groups. Try dealing with FACTS instead of rumors from a JNC that can't tell anyone what is going on behind closed doors.
Ok. Is it a fact* that Costanza told a pilot they're better off on furlough? Is it a fact* that Bells told our MEC that they were calling the shots from now on? Is it a fact* that McKnight tried to push through SmartPref as a primary bidding system without knowledge or authorization of either pilot group? Is it a fact* that your MEC told our MEC they were stalling negotiations because "not one XJT pilot deserves to be furloughed" (after we agreed to hire their furloughees with no strings attached)? Is it a fact* that one of your 6 year ORD Captains "informed" me that "I heard directly from my rep that the seniority merger WILL be relative, and my 6 years will put me senior to your 12"?

*Trick question. These are all facts.

Tell me again who's driving a wedge? Oh, yeah, it's Big Mean Captain Tony because he stirred the Pipe and too many people got their little panties wadded up at the audacity of it. Not your MEC and their shenanigans and obsession to steamroll us. Yeah Ok.

Grow up. News flash, vast majorities of ASA pilots hope we stay separate. And it's starting to look like we'll get our wish.
Old 11-11-2012 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Vertisch
Now that that is out of the way, in the recent jetstream CT mentioned another vacancy bid early next year. The question I and the people I have talked with have is for what? I was under the impression that this recent bid was for the 12 coming 900s. Am I missing something or did he let the cat out of the bag on something?
The way I take it is that they will have a better look at the block hours for summer and how/when the CRJ200s will be removed. But then again, why have another vacancy bid with effective dates Feb/Mar when you come out with another around that same time? That's a lot of training/shuffling around in just a 6 month timeframe?!
Old 11-11-2012 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Vertisch
Now that that is out of the way, in the recent jetstream CT mentioned another vacancy bid early next year. The question I and the people I have talked with have is for what? I was under the impression that this recent bid was for the 12 coming 900s. Am I missing something or did he let the cat out of the bag on something?
The recent bid was for DFW and partially for the 900s. The 900s trickle in slowly and won't all be operating until the middle of 2013. I would expect that another vacancy would be needed to fully staff the operation for the summer, especially if attrition takes off as expected. The need may be mitigated by the 200 draw-down (details of which are still unannounced) or greatly enhanced by unannounced additional flying. Keep your fingers crossed and don't count on anything.
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