What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
04-05-2014 | 06:45 PM
#5571
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Expensive, but making money. There's a world of difference. There are a lot of things SkyWest could do better, not going to deny that. But to sit here and blame all your inadequacies on SkyWest is ridiculous. And no, ExpressJet is not SkyWest. They are owned by Inc, but have absolutely NOTHING to do with the airline that is SkyWest. Do I think they should be running separate operations, no? But it is what it is...it's not our management team, is ExpressJet's management team. They are separate operations.
Your perceptions of "Skywest Airlines" are a bit off. No one cares about what is going on over there. It's a freaking regional airline with excess koolaid chugging. One day you'll see. Then again, you might actually be that thick headed. In which case you are in the perfect place for that.
04-05-2014 | 06:53 PM
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Expressjet was losing aprox 9-17 million a quarter with 90 million in the bank when ASA bought them.
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04-05-2014 | 07:05 PM
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This is the logic that keeps the regionals in the tank. I won't address the guy that posted it directly, but it's a good example for the rest of us of what not to do/say.
It's nice to see RJ guys and gals finally take a stand, it's just too bad it took rock bottom to get there. Any RJ pilot that downplays the current movement or takes pride in their current work is just a pawn in the game, and thankfully the minority. We can pity them, and they'll ride the coat tails of those who fight and sacrifice for fair wages for all, but they will never be respected.
Some people will succeed in this industry, some will burn, and many can't control their own circumstances. But we all have absolute power over the decisions we make. You can be a leader, a follower, or a parasite. Frankly I don't care what you do, but you just might regret it one day when you don't succeed and look back at a career knowing you did nothing to help the pilots around you, either.
It's nice to see RJ guys and gals finally take a stand, it's just too bad it took rock bottom to get there. Any RJ pilot that downplays the current movement or takes pride in their current work is just a pawn in the game, and thankfully the minority. We can pity them, and they'll ride the coat tails of those who fight and sacrifice for fair wages for all, but they will never be respected.
Some people will succeed in this industry, some will burn, and many can't control their own circumstances. But we all have absolute power over the decisions we make. You can be a leader, a follower, or a parasite. Frankly I don't care what you do, but you just might regret it one day when you don't succeed and look back at a career knowing you did nothing to help the pilots around you, either.
You ExpressJet guys sure seem to be emboldened by the votes at Eagle and Republic. Let me bring you back down to reality a bit. Eagle and Republic are both profitable, ExpressJet is not (cue all the conspiracy theories about fuzzy math and intentionally trying to tank ExpressJet). Have you met United? They are the most greedy airline out there, all about the bottom dollar. They aren't about to renegotiate contracts that benefit ExpressJet and not them. They want the 50 seaters gone, they don't want to pay more for them. It's all a pipe dream for you lifers over at ExpressJet because you have nowhere else to go or you would have got out already...SkyWest isn't going to keep this around for much longer. Hell, as you guys retire planes OO is pulling them out of the desert and putting them into service and making money with them. Got two sitting in TUS right now awaiting incoming inspections, more on the way.
Is ExpressJet just going to completely disappear in the near term? No. But they will be downsized to trim the losses as new aircraft come online with the 175 at SkyWest and Mesa and eventually just be completely shut down. SkyWest gains nothing by continuing to run two separate operations (cue the whipsaw theorists).
Is ExpressJet just going to completely disappear in the near term? No. But they will be downsized to trim the losses as new aircraft come online with the 175 at SkyWest and Mesa and eventually just be completely shut down. SkyWest gains nothing by continuing to run two separate operations (cue the whipsaw theorists).
04-06-2014 | 09:15 AM
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Regardless of who negotiated what... y'all do NOT make money. It's as simple as that, and weren't making money prior to being purchased.
04-06-2014 | 09:17 AM
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This is the logic that keeps the regionals in the tank. I won't address the guy that posted it directly, but it's a good example for the rest of us of what not to do/say.
It's nice to see RJ guys and gals finally take a stand, it's just too bad it took rock bottom to get there. Any RJ pilot that downplays the current movement or takes pride in their current work is just a pawn in the game, and thankfully the minority. We can pity them, and they'll ride the coat tails of those who fight and sacrifice for fair wages for all, but they will never be respected.
Some people will succeed in this industry, some will burn, and many can't control their own circumstances. But we all have absolute power over the decisions we make. You can be a leader, a follower, or a parasite. Frankly I don't care what you do, but you just might regret it one day when you don't succeed and look back at a career knowing you did nothing to help the pilots around you, either.
It's nice to see RJ guys and gals finally take a stand, it's just too bad it took rock bottom to get there. Any RJ pilot that downplays the current movement or takes pride in their current work is just a pawn in the game, and thankfully the minority. We can pity them, and they'll ride the coat tails of those who fight and sacrifice for fair wages for all, but they will never be respected.
Some people will succeed in this industry, some will burn, and many can't control their own circumstances. But we all have absolute power over the decisions we make. You can be a leader, a follower, or a parasite. Frankly I don't care what you do, but you just might regret it one day when you don't succeed and look back at a career knowing you did nothing to help the pilots around you, either.
04-06-2014 | 11:10 AM
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And this is why this whole thing is probably going to fail. People only ever worry about themself.
04-06-2014 | 11:31 AM
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Right, so we at SkyWest should take a stand just so all the other pilots feel better about us and themselves? Sure we have some problems over here at OO but they sure aren't as drastic as those at other carriers. No need for us to **** off management just so we can get a pat on the back from the guys at ExpressJet who know their days are numbered. Everyone has a choice where they work/fly and quite honestly if they don't like where they are then they can always get another job and stop telling me I should screw up a good thing over here at SkyWest just to make a point.
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04-06-2014 | 01:03 PM
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air101 is the example of why some people don't like certain other people at SkyWest. I understand that there are good people and not so good anywhere. Maybe it's just me, but it seems there is an attitude over there that they are superior and on their own level compared to other regionals. Guess what? You're not. Even though we're all one big family, at the end of the day the SkyWest guys in general seem to only care about themselves it seems like.
04-06-2014 | 01:17 PM
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Retards like you talk as if you are part of the "team". I bet you were the guy in high school washing the football teams jockstraps and holding Johnny football heros' beer for him while he banged cheerleaders. I bet you thought those guys liked you and you were one of them. Little did you know you were nothing to them. You were just a little punk ***** lackey. Your opinions mean nothing to them. All your ass kissing means nothing to them. You make yourself look like a pathetic loser. I am very familiar with people like you. I have zero respect for your kind.
Fast forward to the present. Here you are now on the interweb carrying the company water as though the people you work for gave **** whether you lived or died. You are a number dude. The only thing that makes you relevant to your management is your ability to move a plane from point A to point B. If you had a stroke tomorrow I wouldn't expect a card from them.
Now back to your management ball washing.
04-06-2014 | 02:44 PM
#5580
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Go look at some 10K reports.
ASA was making money for Delta hand over fist. It was SkyWest who bought ASA and negotiated a loss making CPA. The only reason ASA was sold is Delta couldn't unload Comair and they needed to sell an asset to finance their bankruptcy.
XJT was making money hand over fist before SkyWest attempted a hostile takeover in 2008 and started a bidding war, leading to a loss making CPA with CAL, followed by an acquisition and yet another loss making CPA.
You can hate us all you want, but it's your precious SkyWest that has wrecked two perfectly respectable and profitable regional airlines and mismanaged them into this cluster we have now.
Why do you have such animosity against us, by the way? It's not any pilot's fault we are losing money. Also, you guys stand to make some pretty nice benefit increases if our JCBA is ever finished, so you should be supporting us instead of slinging mud at us. Not to mention if we become profitable again, it makes SkyWest Airlines all the more stronger.
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