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Old 07-16-2012, 08:27 PM
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A huge problem with PBS at our company so far is that most pilots have only seen the results of it within 5% of their bidding status. You have no idea what it is like in my bidding status. Your posts are nearly as bad as the flight attendants who are all convinced if it doesn't work out your way you didn't bid correctly. I know exactly how to bid in my status.
And you have no idea what my bidding status is.

I'm not arguing the merits of PBS. All I'm saying is nobody below you had any impact on your award. If PBS can award them a line that's their gain, not your loss.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:56 PM
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Having open time is a good thing when you need to trade for a trip that might be better commute-wize..
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:11 PM
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I agree. Open time is great for pilots, gives us choices.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:26 PM
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I agree. Open time is great for pilots, gives us choices.
With PBS if u bid properly u will get the trip on your schedule. Open time is great for pilot quality of life but requires the company to hire extra pilots to cover it. What r u willing to give up to cover the cost of a few extra reserve pilots?
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:29 PM
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With PBS if u bid properly u will get the trip on your schedule. Open time is great for pilot quality of life but requires the company to hire extra pilots to cover it. What r u willing to give up to cover the cost of a few extra reserve pilots?
It doesn't require any additional pilots AT ALL. To create a little open time, you have more reserves and less line holders. Or you can have a system like we have now which uses relief lines and all the line holders have an opportunity to swap.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:35 PM
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With PBS if u bid properly u will get the trip on your schedule. Open time is great for pilot quality of life but requires the company to hire extra pilots to cover it. What r u willing to give up to cover the cost of a few extra reserve pilots?
Myth. CRJ pilot numbers and pilots required to staff under PBS is the SAME, and in some cases MORE than what the ERJ side uses under lne bid.

There have been months where the CRJ reserve pilot percentage has exceeded the ERJ's.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:11 PM
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And you have no idea what my bidding status is.

I'm not arguing the merits of PBS. All I'm saying is nobody below you had any impact on your award. If PBS can award them a line that's their gain, not your loss.
I quoted you because your post was the most indepth. Several others have had the same leanings in their posts. So I ask you all. If I bid for upgrade and because of something built into the system it was awarded to a junior pilot and not myself, both of us being eligible, is that okay? I cannot understand how an industry built on seniority can allow any of this to happen. So hell ya I am concerned about what a junior pilot to me is awarded. But more so, I am concerned about what I am awarded. I want every junior pilot to have all the career progression they can possibly have. But our system dictates that I should get it first, as far as pilots on our seniority list. So therefore the PBS at our company should damn well honor seniority down to the lowest possible bidder.
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Myth. CRJ pilot numbers and pilots required to staff under PBS is the SAME, and in some cases MORE than what the ERJ side uses under lne bid.

There have been months where the CRJ reserve pilot percentage has exceeded the ERJ's.
And you have the numbers to back this up? Besides pointing to the -700/900 that the company is keeping overstaffed for some reason?

How do the numbers work out when you start to look at relief line holders? Or are they considered full line holders in your estimations?
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by hemaybedid View Post
A huge problem with PBS at our company so far is that most pilots have only seen the results of it within 5% of their bidding status. You have no idea what it is like in my bidding status. Your posts are nearly as bad as the flight attendants who are all convinced if it doesn't work out your way you didn't bid correctly. I know exactly how to bid in my status.
Are you on the 700/900 or 200?
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:06 AM
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I quoted you because your post was the most indepth. Several others have had the same leanings in their posts. So I ask you all. If I bid for upgrade and because of something built into the system it was awarded to a junior pilot and not myself, both of us being eligible, is that okay? I cannot understand how an industry built on seniority can allow any of this to happen. So hell ya I am concerned about what a junior pilot to me is awarded. But more so, I am concerned about what I am awarded. I want every junior pilot to have all the career progression they can possibly have. But our system dictates that I should get it first, as far as pilots on our seniority list. So therefore the PBS at our company should damn well honor seniority down to the lowest possible bidder.
Comparing an awarded monthly line to an upgrade is like comparing apples to a duck billed platypus. They aren't the same. It is possible for someone junior to you to get a line because of the rules associated with the bidding process. I hold a line with much less seniority than you, but I am on the 200, and you are probably o. The 700. You will still be able to upgrade a long time before I can. The two are unrelated.

If this really bothers you that much, maybe you should get involved with the union so you can do something about it.
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