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07-16-2012 | 07:09 PM
#511
Line Holder
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No way. You guys don't like PBS? I haven't noticed. Perhaps you should talk about it more.
I'm not defending PBS. I personally don't care if we have it going forward or not. All I'm saying is that I think it's ridiculous to be upset about what happens to pilots junior to you. With our PBS there are numerous ways to bid. If the way you bid combined with conflicts and the pairings the company builds cannot award you a line then it's pretty simple: you're not getting a line. Every pilot's situation is different and PBS goes one pilot at a time. Putting a junior pilot on reserve instead of awarding a line still will not get you a line. Your schedule was completed before the system moved on. I know misery loves company but quit worrying about everyone else. The argument should be "there are pairings available and I wasn't able to hold them and going forward there should be a way for me to hold a line in this scenario" versus "the guy behind me got a line and I didn't!!!"
I'm not defending PBS. I personally don't care if we have it going forward or not. All I'm saying is that I think it's ridiculous to be upset about what happens to pilots junior to you. With our PBS there are numerous ways to bid. If the way you bid combined with conflicts and the pairings the company builds cannot award you a line then it's pretty simple: you're not getting a line. Every pilot's situation is different and PBS goes one pilot at a time. Putting a junior pilot on reserve instead of awarding a line still will not get you a line. Your schedule was completed before the system moved on. I know misery loves company but quit worrying about everyone else. The argument should be "there are pairings available and I wasn't able to hold them and going forward there should be a way for me to hold a line in this scenario" versus "the guy behind me got a line and I didn't!!!"
07-16-2012 | 08:14 PM
#512
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From: Captain
Because they are junior to you! Your contract language just sucks too much that it allows this to happen. The more senior person should get more days off in this scenario or both should be on reserve and the trips dropped in open time for more senior line holders to trade for.
Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...
Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...
07-16-2012 | 08:27 PM
#513
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Joined: Dec 2007
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From: ATL
A huge problem with PBS at our company so far is that most pilots have only seen the results of it within 5% of their bidding status. You have no idea what it is like in my bidding status. Your posts are nearly as bad as the flight attendants who are all convinced if it doesn't work out your way you didn't bid correctly. I know exactly how to bid in my status.
I'm not arguing the merits of PBS. All I'm saying is nobody below you had any impact on your award. If PBS can award them a line that's their gain, not your loss.
07-16-2012 | 08:56 PM
#514
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From: Reserve on tha Beach
Having open time is a good thing when you need to trade for a trip that might be better commute-wize..
07-16-2012 | 09:11 PM
#515
On Reserve
Joined: Apr 2007
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I agree. Open time is great for pilots, gives us choices.
07-16-2012 | 09:26 PM
#516
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From: Captain
With PBS if u bid properly u will get the trip on your schedule. Open time is great for pilot quality of life but requires the company to hire extra pilots to cover it. What r u willing to give up to cover the cost of a few extra reserve pilots?
07-16-2012 | 09:29 PM
#517
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From: doggy style
It doesn't require any additional pilots AT ALL. To create a little open time, you have more reserves and less line holders. Or you can have a system like we have now which uses relief lines and all the line holders have an opportunity to swap.
07-16-2012 | 09:35 PM
#518
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There have been months where the CRJ reserve pilot percentage has exceeded the ERJ's.
07-16-2012 | 10:11 PM
#519
Line Holder
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I quoted you because your post was the most indepth. Several others have had the same leanings in their posts. So I ask you all. If I bid for upgrade and because of something built into the system it was awarded to a junior pilot and not myself, both of us being eligible, is that okay? I cannot understand how an industry built on seniority can allow any of this to happen. So hell ya I am concerned about what a junior pilot to me is awarded. But more so, I am concerned about what I am awarded. I want every junior pilot to have all the career progression they can possibly have. But our system dictates that I should get it first, as far as pilots on our seniority list. So therefore the PBS at our company should damn well honor seniority down to the lowest possible bidder.
07-16-2012 | 10:30 PM
#520
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How do the numbers work out when you start to look at relief line holders? Or are they considered full line holders in your estimations?
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