When you say it's already started, are you saying that there are line pilots going through the training right now? I'm just curious because I haven't heard anything about it.

 

Doubt it! The new 70+ seaters will go to Compass and GoJet.

 

Not too sure about that. The whole point was to swap out 50's that are coming up for heavy mtc. Now that does not mean your 50's will not be swapped out with Pinnacles newer ones.

 

I dont think there is much training on this for the pilots. Extended over water is only 162 miles off shore. Its a flight attendant thing, they need to brief the pax before push with their announcement, thats all. If there is anything for the pilots its probably just a bulletin. I don't really remember anything specific as far as training goes anyhow for this...

 

No training for us yet. Guess they meant the aircraft will be retrofitted for it.

 

The training is a very well made (sarcasm) 10-15 minute online video.

 

You guys are to funny, in the last 2 pages you guys are trading in airplanes that are flown under Delta for airplanes to fly under AA, then you will grab your older 50 seaters and trade them with pinnacle's... Ha ha, also for over water you guys need more than just a video, need ditching training as well as other things! As far as the distance well it's what the CO and the FAA come up with but normally is The distance that an engine can take you for an hr!

 

I've been hearing a lot about us getting the airplanes certified for extended over water ops. Why are we doing this?? Nobody has an answer.

 

I don't know why that's funny, we've done it before. Last time we did 2 for 1 we used the aircraft WE have leases on for the Delta 90s. We then took the 50s and started flying for YoNited. Same thing that'll happen here.

 

Oh come now, I was in no way insinuating you have a terrible contract. I was merely exaggerating just like you did. Am I not allowed to? How's that glass house treatin' ya? It sounds like we both want the same thing... something better than what we have. But, again... where does it end? What if mainline were to suddenly drop their compensation and benefits to a level below ours? Should we willingly do the same? If it gets to the point where I have to give up the benefits that made me desire this job in the first place, I'm gonna find a new career. I enjoy what I do, but not THAT much. We already sacrifice a great deal for this job. How much is enough?

I see where you're coming from here, but we look out for the company insofar as operating efficiently and safely, but that is a responsibility to the passengers first and the company second. We're talking about money here... Savings should come from conscientious operation, not a reduced paycheck. I've just never heard of this sort of compromise in another industry (and please, correct me if I'm wrong). If the company I'm working for wants me to accept less to save them, it's time to bust out the resumes.

Specifically, what do the "ERJ guys" want that is so unreasonable? What is "the moon," as you put it? What, if anything is in your current contract that you'd like to see gone from the new contract?