One big problem we have is that too many people are making assumptions on what the TA will say, and have already decided their vote without actually seeing the TA. I have heard quite a few people say something along the lines of "I can't wait till we see it so I can vote no!", which is a very narrow minded attitude. We have to see it first, then we have to vote based on the entire content. In my opinion, the most important thing is having a job with a profitable, sustainable company. Yes, I want all we can get, but only to the extent we stay viable. Good contracts with great gains don't matter in bankruptcy. Ask Pinnacle.

 

Totally agree. I keep reading people stating specific details about contract negotiations and wonder where the heck they got that info. There aren't many people that get to see what goes on behind that door so I'm sure not much has leaked out. I have personally asked a few guys if they had any details on anything and they won't budge. Little hints here and there but nothing definitive.

Hopefully anyone reading this has enough common sense to hold back their frustration and opinions of what posters are writing in this thread. No one has any real details so I wouldn't hold any credibility to what you hear. What until the details come out. Then feel free to get all crazy and stuff.

 

Let's see if can be clear enough with you and all the other institutionalized pilots on the CRJ side:

IT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE PILOTS TO KEEP THE COMPANY PROFITABLE, IT IS MANAGEMENT'S JOB.

Therein the two differences in cultures. The crj side is drowning in the kool aid, and yet no one can publicly post any numbers that support that the ERJ contract (and further gains) are not cost effective. On the ERJ side we understand that the job of the pilot is to fly the aircraft safely within company policies and guidelines, not keeping the company afloat, Jerry gets paid a lot more money than we do to manage this "thuper" regional.

 

ie, thats why they are fighting "you" when it comes to your desired even higher industry leading contract. Presumably, because its their "job" to keep us profitable is this cut-throat industry.

 

"if" AMR decides to award XJT flying for eagle, I doubt it would be ERJ's (50's). Eagle already operates CRJ's as well. More than likely it would be 7/9's, as ERJ's are going the way of 'ol yeller.

 

I disagree on this, I think they want to get rid of the 50 seat or less planes they (amr) own. They will bid that out since those airplanes are starting to pop up in surplus again and the price will drop for feed on them.

The 175s I think are coming will most likely be majority at Eagle since AMR will be trading the leases now for them, and they will be responsible for them, thus my gut is at Eagle.

 

XJT is just as expensive, if not more than eagle. Why would amr choose them as a feed? It'll probably be the bottom feeders who win out.

 

Why are you resorting to personal attacks on people?

Making fun of him for how long of an upgrade they have, something out of his control.

If you are so amazing why don't you focus on getting a job at a major or something, not throwing your wait around the RJ forums.

You're pathetic man. Nice avatar......

 

So when, exactly, did I ever say, or even elude to the possibility, that it is the pilots job to keep the company profitable? Never. I said I wanted to work for a profitable company, because I would like to remain employed. I actually enjoy my job, and would like to continue to do it here until Delta calls. I can't do that, and neither can you, if we don't have a profitable company. I have not quoted specifics, or eluded to knowing any of the facts pertaining to our TA. I was, however, involved in business for 20 years prior to coming here where I was responsible for multi million dollar projects, so I think when I suggest that we need to look at the entire TA objectively, I have some unique life experience that lends considerable credibility to that statement. I'm not a kool aid drinker, but I am a realist who has had to make payroll every Friday. It makes you look at things differently.

 

Do guys on the ERJ side have access to Delta load info?

Thinking of jumpseating somewhere intl on Detla, but not sure the loads, or if we can check them, or if that is only for the ASA side or Delta Connect side.

Rgds.