Delayed again

But the XJT MEC did get a vote. They just chose not to vote and let an arbitrator make a decision for them. The real question is....What was imposed by the arbitrator and what was agreed to beforehand?

Nevets

No, actually, there was no vote. Not choosing to agree to something you don't want to agree with is not the equivalent of voting. There is nothing wrong with not agreeing to terms and conditions that the company wants and therefore it is legitimate decision to go to arbitration.

The protocol agreement was decided before it went to arbitration. The contract language in section 26 specifically says "terms and conditions" so it wasn't just for pay rates. Those terms and conditions are part of what is agreed to ahead of time in the protocol agreement, the scope of negotiations/mediation/arbitration. If the company wanted dual qual, seniority based pay, smartpref, ponies, etc, its up to the XJT NC to try to negotiate a way to keep that out, or make it the best they can if the don't have the negotiating capital to prevent it, or not come to an agreement and send it to that arbitrator.

MoarAlpha

Don't let this guy fool you.

I'm a CRJ guy, and I have met plenty of stand up ERJ guys that want the exact same things as us.

Nevets

How am I trying to fool anyone. Just trying to explain the process.

I would love to have a joint contract that includes the best of each. As for PBS, whichever the MECs decide (and however they decide it) would be fine with me as well at this point. I'm just not optimistic.

ysslah

Yeah. Screw DTW. Move it to MSP

todd1200

I would guess the assertion is that the XJT MEC didn't have full authority to enter into the arbitration without the consent of the ASA MEC.

Nevets

The authority existed since 2004 when the XJT contract was ratified. Nothing stops the company from exercising their contractual right to invoke section 26 when introducing new aircraft. There was no change in that section I the contract. It had already existed.

Bozo

The ASA MEC exercised their rights under the TPA agreeement. The Arbitrator will determine what the language and the "intent" of the language means.

Questions:

Did the XE MEC provide a copy of the TPA agreement to the Arbitrator prior to his services, as a mediator or arbitrator?

Were there things agreed to by the Company and the XE negotiators prior to submission of final open issues to the Arbitrator? YES there where!

Which came first... The agreements OR the Arbitration?

JoeyMeatballs

This may sound weird, but I'm not a "huge fan" of Unions either, however I think they are a necessary evil. (At least in this industry) I would be lying if I said there hasn't been occasions where Union Politics created such a distraction that the "work of the pilots" took a back seat to someone, or "something's" agenda. I don't know If that makes sense but hopefully you can kind of see where I am coming from. one thing you can't deny is how robust ALPAs committee structure is and how great/beneficial such things like the JS Com, Aeromedical, ASAP, Scheduling com etc. If for nothing else it prevents the company for just changing things whenever they want (JBlues Health care for example)

Softpayman

XJT has plenty of leeway regarding Medical benefits in our contract. There is very little defined in terms of out of pocket expenses etc. Deductibles went up last year right?