What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
#8881
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 87
I'd have to see what improvements in the ASA version of the contract were specifically, but my initial thoughts are a resounding no. Every provision in a contract has a cost associated with it, and the company has a max number that they can live with. Splitting the contract into two forces us to subsidize some of their benefits. Even if we were to get a raise, I would still bet that the ASA side would have a lower cost contract, and that doesn't sit well with me. Our contracts should be scored equally in cost.
We have already subsidized those guys for years. Without the purchase, those guys would have been put through BK and had their contract stripped. So, once again, our company and by default the original ASA crew, have been allowing those clowns to keep getting their extra perks that we haven't been able to gain. All while sustaining huge losses. (I don't care whose fault either. Their management screwed up and the pilots got to continue with gains they probably never would have gotten otherwise.)
So if the MEC thinks they can pull this off and get us on level, make some more money, fix some rules and get us a single list, go for it.
#8882
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: Reclined seat
Posts: 629
Word on the street is there will be a TA by summers end. The SLI will somewhat favor the ASA side. It is also being said that do not be to surprised if Delta comes in and buys some of the pilot group if not all. With Delta's lightning speed contract TA, and what looks like the same with Expressjet, makes one wounder why the rush. let's just say there is something in the works. Can't say much for the other regionals, but it appears that this Delta TA will benefit the new Expressjet, more than any other regional, for the better. Things are definitely looking good as time goes forward.
#8883
Does anyone actually care about what is going on now at the train wreck we call XJT anymore? I mean really, who cares anymore? At this point the CRJ pilots with a new hire date past 6/07 have little to no chance of upgrade in 2015 (or 2016 if the CRJ side shrinks), and the ERJ side is losing 60+ airframes this year with zero airframe replacements (as of now). Who cares anymore? Go to work, get paid, accumulate flight time, apply, apply, apply and get out before it is too late.
#8884
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
I'd have to see what improvements in the ASA version of the contract were specifically, but my initial thoughts are a resounding no. Every provision in a contract has a cost associated with it, and the company has a max number that they can live with. Splitting the contract into two forces us to subsidize some of their benefits. Even if we were to get a raise, I would still bet that the ASA side would have a lower cost contract, and that doesn't sit well with me. Our contracts should be scored equally in cost.
So you want the ERJ side to take concessions in order to subsidize the CRJ contract improvements? Of course, this is assuming that management can only improve pilot labor costs slightly in order to give the CRJ side those small improvements. I rather that we get the best of both contracts.
Wow. A resounding no? They haven't even let any real details out yet have they? And you're already beating your chest. Last thing I heard in lunch was that we would not even be presented anything that didn't have us all on level ground.
We have already subsidized those guys for years. Without the purchase, those guys would have been put through BK and had their contract stripped. So, once again, our company and by default the original ASA crew, have been allowing those clowns to keep getting their extra perks that we haven't been able to gain. All while sustaining huge losses. (I don't care whose fault either. Their management screwed up and the pilots got to continue with gains they probably never would have gotten otherwise.)
So if the MEC thinks they can pull this off and get us on level, make some more money, fix some rules and get us a single list, go for it.
We have already subsidized those guys for years. Without the purchase, those guys would have been put through BK and had their contract stripped. So, once again, our company and by default the original ASA crew, have been allowing those clowns to keep getting their extra perks that we haven't been able to gain. All while sustaining huge losses. (I don't care whose fault either. Their management screwed up and the pilots got to continue with gains they probably never would have gotten otherwise.)
So if the MEC thinks they can pull this off and get us on level, make some more money, fix some rules and get us a single list, go for it.
Asa pilots have not subsidized anything on the ERJ side. It was Skywest who bought xjt, not ASA pilots. Furthermore, if you think that UAL would've let 244 ERJs fate's be decided by a judge during liquidation proceedings, I don't know what to tell you. Delta couldn't let that happen to pinnacle.
But I agree with your last sentiment. If grandfathering the ERJ side is the only way for neither side to take a concession, then why are we arguing about it?
Does anyone actually care about what is going on now at the train wreck we call XJT anymore? I mean really, who cares anymore? At this point the CRJ pilots with a new hire date past 6/07 have little to no chance of upgrade in 2015 (or 2016 if the CRJ side shrinks), and the ERJ side is losing 60+ airframes this year with zero airframe replacements (as of now). Who cares anymore? Go to work, get paid, accumulate flight time, apply, apply, apply and get out before it is too late.
The ERJ side is getting 15 of Envoy's 145s starting in April.
#8885
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 532
From the ASA website
When you pin on your ExpressJet wings for the first time, you’re welcomed into an elite team of pilots, recognized and respected in the industry. As a member of our team, you’re privy to industry-leading training, a company that values professional development, and a culture that puts you first.
ExpressJet only hires the best, so when you’re invited to join our team you, your future ExpressJet colleagues, and the major airlines know instantly that you are a top aviation professional. More ExpressJet pilots are hired by the majors, and that’s no coincidence. From our partnerships with the Big Three – Delta, United and American – to our industry leading safety, training and professional development programs, to our reputation as the regional airline most preferred by the majors, a career with ExpressJet sets you up for success.
It starts with the interview
Call us old-fashioned, but we believe in meeting our pilot candidates face-to-face. We take pride in hiring the best aviation professionals, and having our recruiters, who are pilots themselves, meet potential new hires is an important part of that. Some regionals offer a job after only a short phone conversation. You are a professional and you are worth more than a phone interview. We don’t lower our standards and neither should you.
When you’re ready for training, ExpressJet is the best
Our top-of-the-line training is conducted at ExpressJet by our in-house experts who know our equipment, our values and our high standards. Our new pilots are paid for training and provided a private hotel room near our training facilities in Atlanta or Houston. We think it’s essential that you complete training in-person not only because it’s the best way to learn, but because comradery with your new colleagues is important – and they’re your best study partners! We won’t ask you to go at it alone and self-learn at home because this training is the foundation for your entire career, and we want you to succeed.
Pin on those wings
You were selected to join the elite, you’ve completed training and your check ride, and the day has come to pin on your ExpressJet wings and fly the line. You are now part of the most respected airline pilots in the industry.
As an ExpressJet pilot, you learn from the best and most experienced professionals. You have the opportunity to grow professionally through the many opportunities we offer our pilots, from mentorship programs to free leadership courses and more. You are in the position to move up to the majors – even as a first officer. You are based in one of our great commutable domiciles, and you fly CRJ or ERJ aircraft for Delta, United or American. You are part of the ExpressJet culture where you are respected, recognized and rewarded. You are a part of the ExpressJet team, and we are honored to have you.
ExpressJet only hires the best, so when you’re invited to join our team you, your future ExpressJet colleagues, and the major airlines know instantly that you are a top aviation professional. More ExpressJet pilots are hired by the majors, and that’s no coincidence. From our partnerships with the Big Three – Delta, United and American – to our industry leading safety, training and professional development programs, to our reputation as the regional airline most preferred by the majors, a career with ExpressJet sets you up for success.
It starts with the interview
Call us old-fashioned, but we believe in meeting our pilot candidates face-to-face. We take pride in hiring the best aviation professionals, and having our recruiters, who are pilots themselves, meet potential new hires is an important part of that. Some regionals offer a job after only a short phone conversation. You are a professional and you are worth more than a phone interview. We don’t lower our standards and neither should you.
When you’re ready for training, ExpressJet is the best
Our top-of-the-line training is conducted at ExpressJet by our in-house experts who know our equipment, our values and our high standards. Our new pilots are paid for training and provided a private hotel room near our training facilities in Atlanta or Houston. We think it’s essential that you complete training in-person not only because it’s the best way to learn, but because comradery with your new colleagues is important – and they’re your best study partners! We won’t ask you to go at it alone and self-learn at home because this training is the foundation for your entire career, and we want you to succeed.
Pin on those wings
You were selected to join the elite, you’ve completed training and your check ride, and the day has come to pin on your ExpressJet wings and fly the line. You are now part of the most respected airline pilots in the industry.
As an ExpressJet pilot, you learn from the best and most experienced professionals. You have the opportunity to grow professionally through the many opportunities we offer our pilots, from mentorship programs to free leadership courses and more. You are in the position to move up to the majors – even as a first officer. You are based in one of our great commutable domiciles, and you fly CRJ or ERJ aircraft for Delta, United or American. You are part of the ExpressJet culture where you are respected, recognized and rewarded. You are a part of the ExpressJet team, and we are honored to have you.
#8886
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 103
Does anyone actually care about what is going on now at the train wreck we call XJT anymore? I mean really, who cares anymore? At this point the CRJ pilots with a new hire date past 6/07 have little to no chance of upgrade in 2015 (or 2016 if the CRJ side shrinks), and the ERJ side is losing 60+ airframes this year with zero airframe replacements (as of now). Who cares anymore? Go to work, get paid, accumulate flight time, apply, apply, apply and get out before it is too late.
#8890
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: 737 Left
Posts: 1,825
CRJ prelim award still only shows 4 upgrades effective 5/1. Summer will be rougher than usual, I'm afraid.
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