Overage/Sub/OTP FCIF
04-25-2019, 05:05 AM
#61
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 2,418
Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
I’m glad we’ve got you out there. Makes the rest of us seem reasonable. Improving some of these items shouldn’t be so controversial.
Keep in mind these “new guys” who pays dues just like you will be voting on the same contract as you.
1. Sub is another term for recovery obligation. Most carriers have it. Ours is so complicated that simply using the wrong term with scheduling can potentially cost the pilot a lot of money.
The process should be simplified and the software should be coded to give the pilot a clearer picture. Choice A will give you X number of credit hours and X obligation - Choice B will give you X number of credit hours. Simple, straightforward. Not the case right now. It’s a complicated flow chart and the wrong guess at 3 AM could hose you.
-UA
Keep in mind these “new guys” who pays dues just like you will be voting on the same contract as you.
1. Sub is another term for recovery obligation. Most carriers have it. Ours is so complicated that simply using the wrong term with scheduling can potentially cost the pilot a lot of money.
The process should be simplified and the software should be coded to give the pilot a clearer picture. Choice A will give you X number of credit hours and X obligation - Choice B will give you X number of credit hours. Simple, straightforward. Not the case right now. It’s a complicated flow chart and the wrong guess at 3 AM could hose you.
-UA
At 3 AM, your best choice is staying in SUB because you'll have minimal overlap. And thinking through the options in the light of day makes it easy to evaluate your choices.
One exception, as a commuter on Friday nights I'm prone to declining SUB which will automatically invoke OTP within 30 minutes of block-in of my extended trip in order to just go home.
04-25-2019, 05:18 AM
#62
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
Posts: 1,162
Originally Posted by kronan
Never thought I'd read a pilot advocating for more FedEx IT support.
At 3 AM, your best choice is staying in SUB because you'll have minimal overlap. And thinking through the options in the light of day makes it easy to evaluate your choices.
One exception, as a commuter on Friday nights I'm prone to declining SUB which will automatically invoke OTP within 30 minutes of block-in of my extended trip in order to just go home.
At 3 AM, your best choice is staying in SUB because you'll have minimal overlap. And thinking through the options in the light of day makes it easy to evaluate your choices.
One exception, as a commuter on Friday nights I'm prone to declining SUB which will automatically invoke OTP within 30 minutes of block-in of my extended trip in order to just go home.
If I’m being involuntarily removed from a trip for any reason, or if my trip conflicts with training or getting my passport back for company purpose, I should paid without having to be in SUB or makeup anything PERIOD.
04-25-2019, 07:02 AM
#63
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: 787 SO
Posts: 616
Originally Posted by StarClipper
Really? So what’s your opinion on the new VB Plan which is going to promote fly till you die amongst the crew force.
The gig is just too good to give up at 60, even with 25/260 met and earning no additional YOS for pension purposes under the current scheme.
04-25-2019, 07:07 AM
#64
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Position: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
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Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever
You mean the way most guys are already behaving? Ask the R&I guys what age the largest number of retirees fall into. 64 point something is the probable answer. They are already doing it without an incentive, so why not get an incentive?
The gig is just too good to give up at 60, even with 25/260 met and earning no additional YOS for pension purposes under the current scheme.
The gig is just too good to give up at 60, even with 25/260 met and earning no additional YOS for pension purposes under the current scheme.
04-25-2019, 11:19 AM
#65
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 795
Originally Posted by FrankTheTank
New hires weren’t reset to zero.. I believe the guy/gal arguing their point is/was in a new hire seat lock.
You’d be correct. And I asked for a waiver based on what was told to us on day one, over two years before 18-01. This was pre-implementation of 2015 Sec 24. Waiver denied by the former System Chief Pilot.
-UA
04-25-2019, 01:35 PM
#66
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Originally Posted by kronan
RAT can lead to SUB. A RAT trip (Reassignment trip) is Advanced SUB. It's a trip change outside of the SUB windows. In Other words, either shows wicked early or returns late. (Could also be a 5 day trip revised to a 3 day trip, but that's not the norm)
If you accept it, and typically it's a Change from a Friday PM return to a Saturday return, it pays 125% for the trip. IOW-your 30 CH trip was revised to return late for about 35CHs actually pays 43.75. (Or, should you be lucky enough to return 2 days early. Your 30 CH trip is changed to an 18 CH trip which actually pays 30CH. We get the higher of the original trip or RAT trip *125%)
You can decline a RAT trip with absolutely no consequences to your Pay. You simply remain in Substitution for that week.
A RAT trip fulfills all SUB obligations from the original trip.
If you accept it, and typically it's a Change from a Friday PM return to a Saturday return, it pays 125% for the trip. IOW-your 30 CH trip was revised to return late for about 35CHs actually pays 43.75. (Or, should you be lucky enough to return 2 days early. Your 30 CH trip is changed to an 18 CH trip which actually pays 30CH. We get the higher of the original trip or RAT trip *125%)
You can decline a RAT trip with absolutely no consequences to your Pay. You simply remain in Substitution for that week.
A RAT trip fulfills all SUB obligations from the original trip.
Originally Posted by kronan
Not to worry, the new guys are going to eliminate SUB entirely.
Makeup Banks
Seat Locks
Deviation Banks
R24 HSBY
Seat Bids will be done per Industry Standard
1.5 Hour Reserve Call out will be gone and Reserve changed to Industry Standard
Airport STBY gone as a Reserve assignment.
All Intercontinental DHs will be in First Class or the pairing will be rebuilt to accommodate
What else am I missing?
Makeup Banks
Seat Locks
Deviation Banks
R24 HSBY
Seat Bids will be done per Industry Standard
1.5 Hour Reserve Call out will be gone and Reserve changed to Industry Standard
Airport STBY gone as a Reserve assignment.
All Intercontinental DHs will be in First Class or the pairing will be rebuilt to accommodate
What else am I missing?
That’s barely scratching the surface.
04-25-2019, 03:25 PM
#67
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Position: MEM HSBY
Posts: 166
Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
You’d be correct. And I asked for a waiver based on what was told to us on day one, over two years before 18-01. This was pre-implementation of 2015 Sec 24. Waiver denied by the former System Chief Pilot.
-UA
-UA
04-28-2019, 06:56 AM
#68
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
The concept of a makeup bank is new to most new hires. I think a lot of new hires are confused by it as they try to pick up open time during first year pay to supplement income. Most I’ve talked to understand it’s purpose, which is exactly what you described, and accept it as a good concept.
-UA
-UA
If they don’t understand it beyond, say, month 2 then the onus is on them. I’m dropping everything that I can convince CRS to let me drop because I like making a guaranteed 246.16% rate of return on my investments. If I could drop everything and make $0 right now, I would.
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04-28-2019, 07:42 AM
#69
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,219
Originally Posted by WheeledHamster
If they don’t understand it beyond, say, month 2 then the onus is on them. I’m dropping everything that I can convince CRS to let me drop because I like making a guaranteed 246.16% rate of return on my investments. If I could drop everything and make $0 right now, I would.
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Some people can't do that.
04-28-2019, 09:10 AM
#70
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Posts: 554
Originally Posted by coryk
Serious question... then what? Do you have a mil retirement to supplement that? Spouse? Savings?
Some people can't do that.
Some people can't do that.
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