Does ALPA speak for you?
02-10-2021, 06:55 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Stan446
VEBA
A major use of the concept was implemented in 2007 when the United Auto Workers agreed to form VEBAs for their workers at the Big Three automobile manufacturers, thus relieving the companies from carrying the liability for their health plans on their accounting books.
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A major use of the concept was implemented in 2007 when the United Auto Workers agreed to form VEBAs for their workers at the Big Three automobile manufacturers, thus relieving the companies from carrying the liability for their health plans on their accounting books.
Try again
Alpa source document? Really, ALPA source documents only serve what ALPA wants you to know.
Originally Posted by max8222
The current VEBA is different from the 2007 contract. The current one everyone participates.
The VEBA that I and others do not like was given to pilots who had reached age 53 by contact signing. They had an account funded by the company and money that was to go to the crew force for wet leasing outside of three months allowed. $25k was put into each pilots accounts that could be used for health care expenses after retirement. The money grew with time. Was supposed to be a bridge between mandatory 60 retirement and Medicare at 62.
Then the age changed and they all got to keep the $25k even if they stayed until 65. Great deal for them. Screw job for everyone else. Flew with a guy awhile back and he said his account had grown to $33k.
Cutout’s for senior pilots here never seem to end. I am will be senior with the next contract so the cutouts will probably end then!
The VEBA that I and others do not like was given to pilots who had reached age 53 by contact signing. They had an account funded by the company and money that was to go to the crew force for wet leasing outside of three months allowed. $25k was put into each pilots accounts that could be used for health care expenses after retirement. The money grew with time. Was supposed to be a bridge between mandatory 60 retirement and Medicare at 62.
Then the age changed and they all got to keep the $25k even if they stayed until 65. Great deal for them. Screw job for everyone else. Flew with a guy awhile back and he said his account had grown to $33k.
Cutout’s for senior pilots here never seem to end. I am will be senior with the next contract so the cutouts will probably end then!
Originally Posted by FXLAX
From what I understand, our VEBA is an account funded by FedEx, tax free, for the purposes of reimbursing us for part of our Medicare costs, post age-65. Personally, I don’t see this as a senior versus junior issue. As a junior person, I look forward to being able to benefit from this just like I do for the pension.
Even if it’s as you describe, I still wouldn’t have a problem with it. If it incentivized pilots retiring before 65, I feel it’s a good thing. My seniority progression will accelerate and I may be able to use that benefit if I choose to retire early as well.
Even if it’s as you describe, I still wouldn’t have a problem with it. If it incentivized pilots retiring before 65, I feel it’s a good thing. My seniority progression will accelerate and I may be able to use that benefit if I choose to retire early as well.
02-10-2021, 11:40 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX
This is our problem right here. In this thread so far and in this one post we have three pilots that have an idea of what VEBA is (one more correct than the other), but can not completely describe it, and they voted yes or no for a contract that explains in in words they can easily reference to better understand it.
In my defense, I tried to condense my explanation to a point that makes the point I was trying to make, not an all encompassing detailed dissertation. Also, I wasn’t here for the last contract ratification. Admittedly, my understanding does not come from the actual contractual language. It comes from the PRP explanation published by ALPA years ago.
02-10-2021, 06:18 PM
#23
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02-10-2021, 07:38 PM
#24
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Union
The Company has done a super job of keeping the Union in check , that’s the first thing that must be acknowledged,
Union leadership has always been and will forever be suspect of ill representation and gross mismanagement. But it’s a job not many have the desire to do .
Flip side of this is that you need representation or the Company will skewer you to their favorite style of home cookin.
I was there years ago to see the pilot group organize , it was sorely needed after the Flying Tiger buyout , of which those being bought out ended up with a very sweet deal ........ because they were organized and had protections of a CBA , the other side did not , tough lessons learned . You need to be protected by a CBA , period . But don’t let yourselves or your elected leaders sell out , just to get it over with . I’m not around for the next goat rope but rest assured the same trickery and false promises will be bandied about , at your expense . Get involved , stay engaged , take whatever steps are necessary to get what you deserve , if things don’t look right , don’t feel right , jump in there and make all the noise required to effect attention . It’s your Union and your Career . Good luck to all of you !
Union leadership has always been and will forever be suspect of ill representation and gross mismanagement. But it’s a job not many have the desire to do .
Flip side of this is that you need representation or the Company will skewer you to their favorite style of home cookin.
I was there years ago to see the pilot group organize , it was sorely needed after the Flying Tiger buyout , of which those being bought out ended up with a very sweet deal ........ because they were organized and had protections of a CBA , the other side did not , tough lessons learned . You need to be protected by a CBA , period . But don’t let yourselves or your elected leaders sell out , just to get it over with . I’m not around for the next goat rope but rest assured the same trickery and false promises will be bandied about , at your expense . Get involved , stay engaged , take whatever steps are necessary to get what you deserve , if things don’t look right , don’t feel right , jump in there and make all the noise required to effect attention . It’s your Union and your Career . Good luck to all of you !
02-10-2021, 11:15 PM
#25
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Not only has the company done a great job to keep the union in check … so has our UNION!!!
If you don’t know how our own union ousted a PSIT rep for being “too” good for the crew force (making substantial arguments with data) then please ask for info regarding the HKG PSIT article 8 that was “swept under the rug” by ALPA. Look for new “deals” by our Union with the Company that are arbitrarily agreed by our SIG.…but it only affects 180 pilots.…
All for one, or not at all?
Until we all “worry” about ALL of us, we are screwed.
If you don’t know how our own union ousted a PSIT rep for being “too” good for the crew force (making substantial arguments with data) then please ask for info regarding the HKG PSIT article 8 that was “swept under the rug” by ALPA. Look for new “deals” by our Union with the Company that are arbitrarily agreed by our SIG.…but it only affects 180 pilots.…
All for one, or not at all?
Until we all “worry” about ALL of us, we are screwed.
02-11-2021, 02:28 AM
#26
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Hope next cba is a 10 yr agreement. Gives ALPA fewer times to screw things up. The FPA contract of 98 was better than any of these ALPA contracts. Oh yeah it had the strike poison pill (like that matters). ALPA should of never agreed to SIG SLA, taking away 8n24 protection, Right Fit 4 RSV etc. for every 3-4% raise we give back more than enuf to cover that in work rules...not sure what we will give up scheduling wise to pay for our own pay raise in the future...
02-11-2021, 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by flextodaline
If you're presenting a problem, obviously, you've got a solution.......Which office will you be posting for, BrianH?......
I put my hat in the ring several times. How about you?
02-11-2021, 02:47 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by flextodaline
Really?? He identified a problem. Whats his solution? keep whining and moaning, "oh poor us.....our union won't listen to what the real problems are....." This is new??? Is the thread starter going to run for an MEC position to try and change things? Is he trying to rally the troops to make the union voice stronger??? Trying to get this group to speak as one is like trying to herd cats.....the last voice that did that was George Sees......and that was 25 years ago.......good luck.....
And I agree, there is a lot of work to be done before openers are penned. Call, write, or message your reps. After openers are penned, it is very hard to change tacks.
Oh and to be talked about in any context while George is mentioned is very humbling indeed. I could not fill his shoes, but I'd try. Will you?
02-11-2021, 02:51 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX
Feel free to read the ALPA source document discussing VEBA here instead of trying to remember.
https://fdx.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?...8032&mid=33767
Yes the age related bonus is another ALPA screw job, but we keep voting in these age related provisions.
https://fdx.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?...8032&mid=33767
Yes the age related bonus is another ALPA screw job, but we keep voting in these age related provisions.
Good job with the reference. Hopefully those here are learning and starting to think about the things they would like in the next contract and contact their reps.
02-11-2021, 05:43 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by MEMA300
Hope next cba is a 10 yr agreement. Gives ALPA fewer times to screw things up. The FPA contract of 98 was better than any of these ALPA contracts. Oh yeah it had the strike poison pill (like that matters). ALPA should of never agreed to SIG SLA, taking away 8n24 protection, Right Fit 4 RSV etc. for every 3-4% raise we give back more than enuf to cover that in work rules...not sure what we will give up scheduling wise to pay for our own pay raise in the future...
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