Vaccine Stance
09-14-2021 | 04:43 AM
#212
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[QUOTE=Meat Fighter;3294835]Just to clarify.
We have a shot that....
Doesn't prevent transmission.
Doesn't prevent getting COVID.
Doesn't inoculate against the virus.
Need to get a new one every 5 months.
Has no long term safety profile.
And is labeled as the exit metric for this modern rendition of 1984???
***But if you take vitamins, supplement your own immune system, live a healthy life, and take an early treatment protocol for a virus you have a 99.997 chance of surviving you're labeled by the government as a selfish lunatic.
This isn't about science or medicine, this is cultish behavior.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! All you folks who know more than the rest of us, and feel the superior need to chastise those who question... What part of the above list is false?
We have a shot that....
Doesn't prevent transmission.
Doesn't prevent getting COVID.
Doesn't inoculate against the virus.
Need to get a new one every 5 months.
Has no long term safety profile.
And is labeled as the exit metric for this modern rendition of 1984???
***But if you take vitamins, supplement your own immune system, live a healthy life, and take an early treatment protocol for a virus you have a 99.997 chance of surviving you're labeled by the government as a selfish lunatic.
This isn't about science or medicine, this is cultish behavior.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! All you folks who know more than the rest of us, and feel the superior need to chastise those who question... What part of the above list is false?
09-14-2021 | 05:02 AM
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I’ll take a stab at a few that are at least misleading or lack nuance, which is basically all of them.
Literally nobody claims it does any of these things. Why do you people treat this as a binary thing? It’s not an ‘it works or it doesn’t’ proposition. The vaccines are highly effective at mitigating both the spread of the virus and the severe effects for those who do become infected. That is a fact.
There is still a great deal of debate about the need for boosters at the FDA and nobody has suggested needing one after only five months.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/13/covi...-conclude.html
Not a false statement per se, but it’s equally correct to say that there has been no evidence to suggest, at this point, that they aren’t safe.
I’ll give you this one, I suppose.
There is still a great deal of debate about the need for boosters at the FDA and nobody has suggested needing one after only five months.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/13/covi...-conclude.html
Not a false statement per se, but it’s equally correct to say that there has been no evidence to suggest, at this point, that they aren’t safe.
I’ll give you this one, I suppose.
09-14-2021 | 06:33 AM
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if we are looking at ‘Nuance’: by definition calling it a vaccine implies inoculation and thus prevents you from getting it. Polio vaccine. Flu shot. Labeling it a vaccine is criminally false at worst and misleading at best.
Ok. 8 months instead of 5. But booster still recommended by the ‘expert’ trusted to save the world.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...dations-507210
I’m still military and have to get it. And of all the things uncle sam has put in my body I’m sure this is on the low end of the threat ladder. I got the shots. Yet there is no benefit. Still gotta mask up. Still can get infected. Unlike anthrax and small pox. Those are covered. Because they are vaccines.
Ok. 8 months instead of 5. But booster still recommended by the ‘expert’ trusted to save the world.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...dations-507210
I’m still military and have to get it. And of all the things uncle sam has put in my body I’m sure this is on the low end of the threat ladder. I got the shots. Yet there is no benefit. Still gotta mask up. Still can get infected. Unlike anthrax and small pox. Those are covered. Because they are vaccines.
09-14-2021 | 08:14 AM
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[QUOTE=urinmyseat;3294866]
Now I wouldn't go so far as to call anyone a lunatic, but there does seem to be some kind of psychosis.
Those who ascribe to your line of thinking literally believe no one does or can know more than you do. Believing that your cursory perusal of information gleaned from the most dubious of sources qualifies you to argue with anyone even those who are experts in their field. The people challenging this line of ego driven selfish BS aren't speaking as experts on infectious disease they're replying with guidance given by SMEs.
The worst part is you just wont stop crowing about it.
........ labeled by the government as a selfish lunatic.
This isn't about science or medicine, this is cultish behavior.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! All you folks who know more than the rest of us, and feel the superior need to chastise those who question... What part of the above list is false?
This isn't about science or medicine, this is cultish behavior.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! All you folks who know more than the rest of us, and feel the superior need to chastise those who question... What part of the above list is false?
Now I wouldn't go so far as to call anyone a lunatic, but there does seem to be some kind of psychosis.
Those who ascribe to your line of thinking literally believe no one does or can know more than you do. Believing that your cursory perusal of information gleaned from the most dubious of sources qualifies you to argue with anyone even those who are experts in their field. The people challenging this line of ego driven selfish BS aren't speaking as experts on infectious disease they're replying with guidance given by SMEs.
The worst part is you just wont stop crowing about it.
09-14-2021 | 08:19 AM
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[QUOTE=Shaman;3295001]
Now I wouldn't go so far as to call anyone a lunatic, but there does seem to be some kind of psychosis.
Those who ascribe to your line of thinking literally believe no one does or can know more than you do. Believing that your cursory perusal of information gleaned from the most dubious of sources qualifies you to argue with anyone even those who are experts in their field. The people challenging this line of ego driven selfish BS aren't speaking as experts on infectious disease they're replying with guidance given by SMEs.
The worst part is you just wont stop crowing about it.
Let me simplify this...
If the shot does not prevent transmission...
1. Then what is the justification for mandating it?
2. How do you prevent transmission with a treatment that does not prevent transmission?
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Now I wouldn't go so far as to call anyone a lunatic, but there does seem to be some kind of psychosis.
Those who ascribe to your line of thinking literally believe no one does or can know more than you do. Believing that your cursory perusal of information gleaned from the most dubious of sources qualifies you to argue with anyone even those who are experts in their field. The people challenging this line of ego driven selfish BS aren't speaking as experts on infectious disease they're replying with guidance given by SMEs.
The worst part is you just wont stop crowing about it.
If the shot does not prevent transmission...
1. Then what is the justification for mandating it?
2. How do you prevent transmission with a treatment that does not prevent transmission?
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09-14-2021 | 08:37 AM
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[QUOTE=Meat Fighter;3295004]
The fundamental flaw in your argument is that you are insinuating that because the vaccines do not completely prevent transmission, that they are useless. This is just simply not true, and they don’t need to be 100% effective to mitigate the problem.
PEOPLE WHO ARE VACCINATED ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS LIKELY TO ACQUIRE AND/OR TRANSMIT THE VIRUS, END UP IN THE HOSPITAL, OR DIE.
What part of that do you not understand?
I don’t agree with mandates, but why can’t you just admit that the vaccines are helpful?
PEOPLE WHO ARE VACCINATED ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS LIKELY TO ACQUIRE AND/OR TRANSMIT THE VIRUS, END UP IN THE HOSPITAL, OR DIE.
What part of that do you not understand?
I don’t agree with mandates, but why can’t you just admit that the vaccines are helpful?
09-14-2021 | 08:40 AM
#220
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[QUOTE=Meat Fighter;3295004]
no vaccine prevents transmission. That's not what vaccines do man. This is basic stuff. Vaccines are designed to prompt an immune response. The efficacy of the vaccine indicates how effective the immune response, but viruses can evolve and mutate. Doesn't mean vaccine isn't working.
It's not a conspiracy the bug decided it wants to fight so we have to change tactics. For goodness sakes this isn't that hard to grasp without creating ideological boogeyman and assertions of mind control.
It's not a conspiracy the bug decided it wants to fight so we have to change tactics. For goodness sakes this isn't that hard to grasp without creating ideological boogeyman and assertions of mind control.
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